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The Suicide Bomber

 

By: – Ahmed Mansour

FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/3/2005

As we face our Islamist terrorist enemy in this post-Cold War era, it becomes clear that we are engaged in yet another world war. This present war on terror is, without a doubt, a new kind of war. We can summarize its new aspects with one concrete example: the suicide bomber. He is eager to blow himself up in order to kill as many innocent people as possible from among Christians, Jews and, yes, other Muslims. Young men are usually inspired by dreams of the future and of enjoying their lives, but the suicide bomber is motivated only by the thought of being a martyr and he is convinced that virgins are waiting for him in paradise and will reward him for blowing himself up amongst “infidels.”

The suicide bomber is a human bomb walking the streets ready to destroy other people, any time and any place. It is very difficult to recognize him and to predict where and when he will strike.

With this new weapon – the human bomb – our Islamic terrorist enemy has neutralized the most horrifying weapon: the nuclear bomb. But it has neutralized it only in our hands of course.

This War’s Ingredients:

1-The weapon is the suicide bomber.

2-The ammunition is the Muslim tradition and religion.

3-The factories of ammunitions are the mosques, the Islamic centers in the West and in the U.S, the Muslim system of educations and the Arabic web sites.

4-The battle field is the mentality of all Muslims.

5-The soldiers and the generals of war are fanatic extreme Muslim scholars and the Sheikhs.

6- The very nature of this war is 100% an intellectual-ideological religious war.

7-Who will win this kind of war? The terrorists.

8-Why: Because the U.S is using its army in 90% of this war.

The Crucial Reassessment:

1-How can the U.S win this war and save thousands of lives and billions of dollors?

By using the same tactic of the intellectual-ideological religious war.

2-How could the U.S use this tactic?

By responding to every enemy weapon to neutralize it:

The weapon [suicide bomber] must be convinced that if he kills innocent people or himself he will be the enemy of Islam.

The ammunitions [Muslim tradition and religion] must be used against the terrorist themselves.

The factories of ammunitions: [Mosques, Islamic centers in the West and the U. S and the educational system in Muslim World] are under the control of U.S. allies. These factories of ammunitions in the Muslim World must be reformed in the name of Islam by the pressure of the U.S and the U.N. – along with real political reform. The mosques and the so-called Islamic schools in the U.S must be reformed and the websites of the fanatics must be delegitimized. Individuals such as myself are willing to do this if we receive American support.

The battle field of this war will be the mentality of all Muslims.

The soldiers and the generals of this war against terrorists are people like me who are free Muslim scholars and sheikhs. We are willing to fight but need the support of the U.S.

The very nature of this war against terrorists: A large percentage of it can be – and must be – an intellectual war.

Who will win this kind of war?

The U.S. will win it.

Why?

Because the terrorist Muslims have their power by using the name of Islam. We must explain from within Islam the contradiction between Islam and the bloody culture of the terrorists.

It is not hard to have the silent Muslim majority on our side if we can reach them. It is not hard to convince some of the fanatics by using the fanatic tradition against them. Also, it is very easy to recruit open-minded Muslims and organize them in this peaceful war against terrorism. Actually, they are eager to be organized and supported by the U.S so that they can attain freedom and rid themselves and the world of the terrorist danger.

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Dr. Ahmed Subhy Mansour is a distinguished scholar of Islam with expertise in Islamic history, culture, theology and politics. An Egyptian national now living in the U.S., he was an advocate for democracy and human rights in Egypt for many years, during which time he himself was isolated and persecuted by religious extremists and by the regime.

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47 Responses to “The Suicide Bomber”


  1. September 25, 2007 at 1:29 am

    “5:33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; ”

    I wonder whether terrorists and suicide bombers can be considered as “waging war against Allah and His Messenger, and striving with might and main for mischief through the land” since they are purposely REASONING their ACTIONS by the name of ALLAH and MUHAMMAD instead of using their sheikhs’ name?

  2. September 25, 2007 at 2:38 am

    The missing point is nobody is willing to ‘solve’ their problems and ‘cure’ them immediately. They are humans, too.

  3. September 25, 2007 at 2:39 am

    I think they really are

  4. September 25, 2007 at 3:02 am

    Yes, they are…

    There is supposed to be an international criminal court which established at least half of the judges among Muslim scholars and have the Qur’an as reference for describing their actions.

  5. September 25, 2007 at 3:07 am

    Sukran Says:

    I wonder whether terrorists and suicide bombers can be considered as “waging war against Allah and His Messenger, and striving with might and main for mischief through the land”

    Some claim that “suicide bombers” are against Islam, since SUICIDE is forbidden in Islam, even one of the major sins. Why then do these attacks happen on such a regular basis? Why are those people celebrated as martyrs?

    The puzzle is solved by recognizing that “suicide bomber” is simply a false terminology.

    The purpose of these people is not to kill themselves. They wish to kill the enemies of Islam, and in their view the most effective way to kill as many of their enemies as possible is to do it in this particular way. Their own death is accepted as a necessary sacrifice.

    Any suicide bomber whose belt blows off before he reaches the enemy, who is killed without doing damage to others will be considered an utter failure. They and many other Muslims believe that they are not rewarded for simply dying, but for dying as a means for killing. They are martyrs because they died in the fight against the infidels and enemies of Islam.

    For this reason the term “suicide bomber” is an utter misnomer. People who commit suicide want to kill only themselves, not others. Most people who commit suicide do so because they see no more purpose in life, because they lost all hope and often their faith in God.

    These people, on the other hand, have a very definite goal in their life and death: To establish the rule of Islam. Their action is outgrowth of their strong faith in Islam, their confidence and conviction that this is what pleases God, and will be rewarded by him.

    The action of these Muslims has nothing to do with suicide, but with homicide, and the goal is to kill and to instill terror in the hearts of the enemy.

    Suicide is committed mostly out of personal despair by persons feeling utterly lonely, nobody seems to understand them … The Muslim terrorists who blow up bombs strapped to their bodies in school busses, drive cars full of explosives into police stations, or fly planes into buildings act from within a tight community. Their action is well-planned by a group of like-minded people, and they are meticulously trained for their killer operation. It is one element in a larger concept of what they consider to be a military operation, even though they are mostly aimed at “soft targets” and most victims are civilians.

    Many Muslim jurists have justified this course of action as an acceptable means of fighting in Islam. There is nothing unislamic about it.

    http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Index/S/suicide_bomber.html

  6. September 25, 2007 at 3:19 am

    shiva, please don’t preach your racial ideology here.
    thank you

  7. 7 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 3:53 am

    Stefan,

    It appears you have inherited some hate off of my blog. Sorry about that. You will never be able to convince Shiva of anything. His mind is like a steel trap….when it comes to being closed.

    I just stopped dealing with him all together. He fails to understand that the number one victim of the ‘suicide bomber’ happens to be Muslims. Why?? Because those Muslims are not following the faith they way the bombers think they ought to. It kind of flys in the face of it being something that is ‘taught’ or ‘condoned’ in Islam.

    Great article though, I will have to use that myself. 😀

  8. September 25, 2007 at 4:10 am

    Shiva is right, I have to make clear what I tried to say up there: I agree that there can be no excuse or immunity for killing innocence, but there absolutely are some reasons create them. There is no way to prevent their actions without preventing the occurance of those reasons.

    Killing one’s self is not a type of ‘fighting’ and praised in the Qur’an and cannot be determined as sacrifice and forbidden, because it is still suicide since the bomb is blown off by THEMSELVES, not someone else.

    They ARE desperate and has no access or connection to the rest of the world, because of either their prejudice against others or others’ prejudice against them, to show them what and how they are doing.

    well, they are doing wrong…They are unable to make attention the peace ordered in their Book, because they have lost their hope entirely for there can be a better life.

  9. September 25, 2007 at 4:52 am

    Shiva, please don’t preach your racial ideology here.
    thank you

    I fail to see how stating that homicidal islamic murderers who kill innocent people are not suicide bombers, has anything to do with racism, you are stretching the racist card a bit thin..

    Now should you read he above article by Dr. Ahmed Subhy Mansour then you will notice it tends to support my last post:-

    The suicide bomber. He is eager to blow himself up in order to kill as many innocent people as possible from among Christians, Jews and, yes, other Muslims. Young men are usually inspired by dreams of the future and of enjoying their lives, but the suicide bomber is motivated only by the thought of being a martyr and he is convinced that virgins are waiting for him in paradise and will reward him for blowing himself up amongst “infidels.”

    It is further reinforced by

    2-The ammunition is the Muslim tradition and religion.

    3-The factories of ammunitions are the mosques, the Islamic centers in the West and in the U.S, the Muslim system of educations and the Arabic web sites.

    You will note he does not refute the link between islam and terror, for obvious reason he stops short of going to the root cause of homicidal bombers.

    The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, June 4, 2002

    Let me say to you: these stances [of American administrators on suicide bombings] will not be of any use. This quest for martyrdom is not based on emotions; it is based on belief in Islam and faith in the Judgment Day and faith in life after death. Anywhere Islam exists in its true sense, arrogance faces this threat.

    These words of the Supreme Leader of Iran constitute a serious indictment against Islam. It should no longer be claimed that suicide-homicide bombings are supported only in the dark corners of the Islamic world; rather, the Supreme Leader himself supports this death-cult.

    Speaking the truth, he says that homicide bombers do not commit their atrocities out of emotions, but out of the core doctrines of Islam: the Last Day and life after death. Thus, he asserts that Islam in its “true sense”—martyrdoms by homicide bombing—threatens arrogance, that is, the US and Israel.

    Where does this evil doctrine of martyrdom in a battle come from? The answer to the question is that Khamenei and others such as Bin Laden are not the deepest sources of inspiration for martyrdom bombers.

    If they were, it would stop terrorism quickly. Sad to say, these two evil-doers, as well the faceless human bombs, get their inspiration from the Quran itself.

    Suras 61:10-12, guarantee Islamic martyrs heaven in an economic bargain. Indeed, these three references explicitly use words that connote buying and selling and signing a contract of sale, and the currency behind the deals is death by martyrdom.

    koran 61:10-12
    [10] O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?

    [11] That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: that will be best for you, if ye but knew!

    [12] He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the supreme Achievement.

    Deducing claims from these verses and using the logic of evil, suicide-homicide bombers with modern and private weapons accept this bargain and throw themselves into battle against disciples of the Great Satan (the US) and the little Satan (Israel).

    Derived from these verses, the martyrs’ death-acts show their total surrender to Allah; they count their lives as nothing compared with their devotion to him and security in achieving heaven. So Allah is pleased—it is a done deal.

    http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Authors/Arlandson/death_economy.htm

  10. September 25, 2007 at 5:09 am

    well, they are doing wrong…They are unable to make attention the peace ordered in their Book, because they have lost their hope entirely for there can be a better life.

    Yes they are doing wrong, to take their life.

    So why are these homicidal murderers considered martyrs throught out the islamic world

  11. September 25, 2007 at 5:38 am

    I thought I mentioned my finding about it; they have entirely lost their hope that there can be a better life than dying.

    1- They are simply unable to distiguish difference between killing themselves and being killed,

    2- They have nothing to lose in their life,

    3- They have lost their self-recognition on the worth of their own life and the worth of their life in the conscious of their loved ones,

    4- They have lost minimum financial, social, cultural, personal, phsycological, etc. conditions of standard life for a long time,

    5- They have been oppressed by their leaders for a long time,

    6- They have been slaves in their own land for a long time,

    7- They have been exploited by feodalism and imperalism in their own land for a long time,

    8- They have been hated and rejected by the rest of the world for a long time,

    9- They have not been allowed to be free individuals for a long time,

    10- They are weak,

    11- They are uneducated,

    12- They are unable to reach, learn, observe and absorb discoveries of the other nations,

    13- They have lost their faith and confident to believe in their own mind for a long time,

    14- They are stuck with the first and only interpretation and implementation (of their Book) concluded 1200 years ago,

    15- They cannot think right at this moment.

  12. September 25, 2007 at 5:40 am

    they are doing wrong taking innocence’s AND their life.

  13. September 25, 2007 at 6:46 am

    Eagle

    I just stopped dealing with him all together. He fails to understand that the number one victim of the ’suicide bomber’ happens to be Muslims. Why?? Because those Muslims are not following the faith they way the bombers think they ought to. It kind of flys in the face of it being something that is ‘taught’ or ‘condoned’ in Islam.

    I fail to understand that the number one victim of the ’suicide bomber’ happens to be Muslims.

    I would say the number one victims are the people who are torn apart, and their bodies are splattered every where.

    I would say the number one victims are the children who never arrived in school, or the mothers and fathers who never return from work

    I would say the number one victims are the people who have lost their arm, legs, hearing or eyesight.

    I would say the number one victims are the people who have lost there loved ones.

    So Eagle, I notice that you come here, not with the intention of debating, but to continue playing the bigot/racist/hate card.

    All I have to say to you here on the blog, as it is neither yours or mine, is you are a very dishonest person. You can claim that I am hateful, a bigot, and a racist, yet why have you deleted most of my posts, where I proved you wrong.

    I defy you, Stephan, Sukran and anybody else to find anywhere an example of racism in any of my comments. You are welcome, to go through 600 posts on my blog, 1400 comments at FOMI nu and countless comments at jihad watch. So Eagle get of your high moral hobby horse and debate instead of calling every bigots because they do not share the same rosy view of moslems as you do

    Your way of debating by using the delete button when you are proven wrong or you feel is the losers way.

    So eagle this thread is about suicide bombers, not shiva is hateful blah blah bigot blah blah, so why not stay on topic which you could never do on your own blog.

  14. September 25, 2007 at 9:13 am

    I am sorry about the above post

    It some how got muddled,can you delete it please.

    Many thanx in advance

    I hope this turns out better

    Sukran Says:
    1- They are simply unable to distinguish difference between killing themselves and being killed

    IMHO, This doesn’t hold, they choose end life as a bomb – rather than having it ended by a bullet – endows them, even if only in their final moments, with a semblance of purpose and control previously considered out of reach, and to kill themselves knowing they are going to kill more people around them.

    Sukran Says:
    2- They have nothing to lose in their life,

    The are losing the most precious thing they have, LIFE

    Sukran Says:
    3- They have lost their self-recognition on the worth of their own life and the worth of their life in the conscious of their loved ones,

    May-be if they had a puppy dog to love when they where young, may they would have learnt self-recognition on the worth life, in fact of all life.

    Sukran Says:
    4- They have lost minimum financial, social, cultural, personal, psychological, etc. conditions of standard life for a long time,

    This could apply for bombers within Judea and Samaria, but does not apply for the London bombers or the Glascow Doctors of Death

    Sukran Says:
    5- They have been oppressed by their leaders for a long time,

    This is partly true, but why don’t we see the same from all poor countries.

    Now why aren’t they attacking their oppressive leaders, instead of blowing themselves up in restaurants and discos

    Sukran Says:
    6- They have been slaves in their own land for a long time,

    I would not say that doctors and engineers are slaves, who chose to kill innocent infidels, instead of their slave handlers

    Sukran Says:
    7- They have been exploited by feodalism and imperalism in their own land for a long time,

    If this is true, why didn’t we see bombers in Poland, East Germany and other eastern bloc nations before the iron curtain came down.

    Sukran Says:
    8- They have been hated and rejected by the rest of the world for a long time,

    They had been made welcomed and allowed to study in in universities all around the world, the hate they perceived was of their own making.

    The West has welcomed them with open arms, including those that have committed act of terrorism in their own countries

    Sukran Says:
    9- They have not been allowed to be free individuals for a long time,

    As many in the West will tell you freedom comes at a cost.
    The west cannot give it to you.

    Sukran Says:
    10- They are weak,

    Only because they chose to be

    Sukran Says:
    11- They are uneducated,

    Most suicide bombers are educated, with college or university experience, and come from middle class homes.

    Most suicide bombers do not show signs of psychopathology. Indeed, leaders of the groups who perpetrate these attacks search for individuals who can be trusted to carry out the mission; those with mental illnesses are not ideal candidates.

    Since the signing of the Oslo Agreements in 1993, Palestinian terrorist organizations have sent more than 70 suicide bombers on missions against Israeli targets.

    Last month Yediot Aharonot presented a profile of the typical suicide bomber:

    47% of the suicide bombers have an academic education and an additional 29% have at least a high school education.
    83% of the suicide bombers are single.
    64% of the suicide bombers are between the ages 18-23; most of the rest are under 30.

    Sukran Says:
    12- They are unable to reach, learn, observe and absorb discoveries of the other nations,

    This could be because islam does not stimulate the ability to correlate the correlate

    Sukran Says:
    13- They have lost their faith and confident to believe in their own mind for a long time,

    They have never been encouraged to have any faith and confidence in themselves from the beginning.

    Sukran Says:
    14- They are stuck with the first and only interpretation and implementation (of their Book) concluded 1200 years ago

    And this is where the problem rests

    Sukran Says:
    15- They cannot think right at this moment.

    Should we forgive them because they not knoweth what they do

    This is no excuse, when many innocent people are being killed.

    “The bombers believe they are sent on their missions by God, and by the time they’re ready to be strapped with explosives, they have reached a hypnotic state. Their rationale: that by blowing themselves up in a crowd of infidels, they are making their own stairway to heaven.”

    Suicide bombings have occurred in more than 30 countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, China, Colombia, Croatia, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Morocco, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories, Panama, the Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sri-Lanka, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkey, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, and Yemen.
    (Suicide planes were also used in the United States).

  15. September 25, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Shiva, your hate does not allow you to see the big picture and the possible solutions laying down in that picture. When I have time I will answer your concerns one by one.

    Regards,

  16. September 25, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    shiva, we do not support the suicide bombers, we are trying to fight the racial islamic ideology Because the terrorist Muslims have their power by using the name of Islam. We must explain from within Islam the contradiction between Islam and the bloody culture of the terrorists.

  17. 17 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    The question should be is it Islam or is it Amin Al-Husseini. I know what I think, I don’t think it is Islam but what this guy decided what Islam should be. He spewed hate and aligned himself with Nazism and Wahhabism. He was consumed more with hate than religion.

    http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/2007/09/25/the-father-of-islamists/

    Muslims should be informed of this guy and why he was wrong. Why no body talks about him is news to me.

  18. September 25, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    @ Shiva. Kamikaze mean anything to you ?

  19. 19 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    If you don’t mind I will be adding you to my blogroll.

  20. 20 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    Shiva,

    You don’t suppose that maybe the reason Stefan made the comment not to spread your racial hate here, is because he saw it on my blog?? You don’t think that calling Muslims “sand monkey’s” isn’t hateful?? Or calling ANY Muslim who doesn’t believe in the terrorist ideology, “muzi liars”, is not showing your hate towards anything Muslim no matter what they say??

    You come to a blog, that is trying to dispel the myth that Islamist/Jihadist are ‘true’ Muslims, and attack them. Trying to show that they are wrong…to what purpose??

    Don’t you think that you should be supporting ANYONE who is trying to change Muslim minds?? Don’t you think they are doing something worthwhile??

    It always amazes me when non-Muslims do their best to convince Muslims that they are not ‘true’ Muslims unless they are killing a few people, or a lot of people. It seems to me that since you hate anything terrorist, you would encourage the people here. Not call them liars, or try and convince them they are wrong.

    You would do better to try and convince the radicals they are wrong by using some of the stuff here. And that can be said of ANYONE. Instead of bashing Muslims in general, you should be trying to point out how the radicals are wrong.

  21. September 25, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    i don’t mind at all 🙂

  22. 22 Elric66
    September 25, 2007 at 6:14 pm

    Shiva,

    Great talking points. I love it when they try blame poverty for jihad. Then why dont the poor Buddists, Hindu’s, Jews, Christians blow themselves up on a daily basis?

  23. 23 awake
    September 25, 2007 at 6:20 pm

    I believe the prohibition against suicide from the Qur’an:

    Do not kill yourselves, for Allah is compassionate towards you. Whoever does so, in transgression and wrongfully, We shall roast in a fire, and that is an easy matter for Allah.” (an-Nisaa 4:29-30)

    This prohibition is also supported by The Hadith by Sahih Bukhari.

    “He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire.” (Sahih Bukhari 2.446)

    What appears to be the issue here, is that the technological weaponry available today, bombs, was not available in the time of Muhammad and therefore could not have been adjudicated upon in the Qur’an.

    There are those in the Islamic community who have justified “suicide” bombings by the exact rationale that Shiva stated above. They have effectively labeled the act’s primary function of fighting in the way of Allah with the suicide being an unfortunate by-product. They are considered martyrs. Their suicide is not out of desperation. This specific example was used to justify the act in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, namely by well-known Islamic scholar Yusuf Al Qaradawi.

    Qaradawi, one of the main architects behind the ideology of suicide bombings is even a highly learned scholar with a doctor’s degree from the Al Azhar University in Cairo.

    Mr. Qaradawi has issued several Fatwas which define all adult Jews living in Palestine as “occupants” and “combatants”, and therefore legitimate targets of war. These Fatwas contends that when the suicide bomber looses his life in executing his/her operation, this does not count as suicide but as a sacrifice in holy war and, therefore, as martyrdom.

    The rationale for considering all adult Jews in Palestine as combatants is the fact that all adult Israelis, men and women, are registered in the Israeli Defense Force and has status as reservist, also in their civilian life. With reference to Jewish children, Mr. Qaradawi makes clear that even if these cannot be killed as combatants, it is acceptable that some Jewish children be killed in vengeance for Arab children having been killed by Jews. At this point one must add that Mr. Qaradawi condemns the killing or persecution of Jews which are not participating in the “occupation of Palestine”.

    Therefore, in this light, the Qur’an, being the definitive authority of Islam to Muslims does not condone suicide at all, even in light of mainstream ideological interpretations otherwise that we see today, as shown above. I for one, believe the Qur’an trumps all in the eyes of true Muslims, but this is not always a fortunate reality in Islam.

    As a side note, I really wish people would stop with the baseless claim of racism against people who have not shown any. It devalues the discourse and belies a losing argument from a small mind.

    Islam is not now, nor has it ever been, a race.

    Please stay on topic.

  24. September 25, 2007 at 6:47 pm

    <1- IMHO, This doesn’t hold, they choose end life as a bomb – rather than having it ended by a <bullet – endows them, even if only in their final moments, with a semblance of purpose and <control previously considered out of reach, and to kill themselves knowing they are going to

    You said “The purpose of these people is not to kill themselves. They wish to kill the enemies of Islam, and in their view the most effective way to kill as many of their enemies as possible is to do it in this particular way. Their own death is accepted as a necessary sacrifice.”

    I insist it iss still ‘killing themselves=suicide’ no matter what their secondary purpose which is killing others is a biggest sin one can commite against to own self and still forbidden. Since they are unable to distinguish the difference between killing others by killing themselves they actually commit two different sins in one act. Again it is still suicide and homicide. I did not say it was only suicide.

    Since their life is not precious any more because of the reasons I tried to mention in my prior post, they are unaware of the fact that greatest gift for human is life and being alive.

    <May-be if they had a puppy dog to love when they where young, may they would have learnt self-

    It requires more than having a puppy. I wonder whether you have ever been among them.

    <This could apply for bombers within Judea and Samaria, but does not apply for the London

    They all belong to same community and the same ideology of established by that community.

    <Now why aren’t they attacking their oppressive leaders, instead of blowing themselves up in

    What I indicated was wholly true. Please make close attention to those poor countries, they all possess same offensive and destructive philosophy against others. What do you think how weapon industry make that much money?: They employ -and I even suspect that they create- poor, desperate, uneducated, sick, helpless and hopeless nations.

    <I would not say that doctors and engineers are slaves, who chose to kill innocent infidels,

    How many Middle Eastern oil company does sell its oil all around the world? How many African diamond company are there in the world? How many Afghani precious and semi-precious gems factory are there in the world?

    Are you blind or living in a fantasy world?!!

    Excuse me?! When were Poland, east Germany or other eastern Bloc countries occupied by force of the weapon by imperialism and feudalism? Sorry for my excessive illiterateness in here.

    <They had been made welcomed and allowed to study in in universities all around the world, the

    <The West has welcomed them with open arms, including those that have committed act of

    Sorry again for my rude illiterateness, I just want to be sure, are you talking about Crusaders?

    <As many in the West will tell you freedom comes at a cost.

    I was not talking about the West in there. They have to get it from their very own oppressors, government, kings, religious leaders, fathers, grandfathers, etc.

    Be realistic, nobody would choose to be weak and be abused. It is a endless circle, and it would take days to explain the reasons, facts and elements of that circularity.

    They are trained by extremist Islam from the very early ages. In addition, you are not claiming 47% of the extremist Muslims in Afghanistan, Iraq or Iran, etc. have college or upper education, right?

    No, this is islam built in the violation of the Qur’an.

    Since they err in understanding, interpreting and implementing the Qur’an, yes they could not have seen the encouragement to have the confidence in themselves numerous of times indicated in the Qur’an. Nowehere in the Qur’an believers are being directed to the others’ to learn, understand, observe their religion, nowehere! Even thoug there is no religious clerkship in the Islam, they established a rotten-smelling religious clerkship system in the heart of their faith.

    Definitely.

    No, they have to be punished and rehabilitated.

    Thanks,

  25. September 25, 2007 at 6:49 pm

    Sukran, it seems that we are under the attack of the “jihadwatchers” of the 21st century .

    for me they are anti-islamists more than they are christians, and i don’t consider their opinion as a truthful christian opinion and they are as racial as those who embrace extreme religious ideologies.

  26. 26 Elric66
    September 25, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    “they are as racial as those who embrace extreme religious ideologies.”

    Islam isnt a race no matter how many time you say it.

  27. September 25, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    but, they are real people with seemingly real opinions. I like to make exercise and brain-storming with their seemingly true opinions.:)

  28. 28 Elric66
    September 25, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    BTW how are you awake?

  29. September 25, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    Please see contemporary definitions of the racisim in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

  30. 30 Elric66
    September 25, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    I see nothing about religion. You bogus rants about “racism” is just as bad about labeling people as “Islamophobes” It might work on your pet dhimmis but it will not work with me.

  31. September 25, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Sukran

    I insist it iss still ‘killing themselves=suicide’ no matter what their secondary purpose which is killing others is a biggest sin one can commite against to own self and still forbidden. Since they are unable to distinguish the difference between killing others by killing themselves they actually commit two different sins in one act. Again it is still suicide and homicide. I did not say it was only suicide.

    Well I have seen quite a few videos where the bombers claim differently, so I am more inclined to believe the bombers.

    Killing Enemies of Islam is the primary factor

    The full text of the videotape of Mohammad Sidique Khan, one of the four 7 July bombers, which was aired on Arabic television channel al-Jazeera and in which he explains his motives.
    I’m going to keep this short and to the point because it’s all been said before by far more eloquent people than me.

    And our words have no impact upon you, therefore I’m going to talk to you in a language that you understand.

    Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood.

    I’m sure by now the media’s painted a suitable picture of me, this predictable propaganda machine will naturally try to put a spin on things to suit the government and to scare the masses into conforming to their power and wealth-obsessed agendas.

    I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe.

    Our driving motivation doesn’t come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer.

    Our religion is Islam – obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Muhammad… This is how our ethical stances are dictated.

    Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.

    It is not known when the videotape, aired on 1 September, was made
    And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.

    Until we feel security, you will be our targets. And until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight.

    We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

    I myself, I myself, I make dua (pray) to Allah… to raise me amongst those whom I love like the prophets, the messengers, the martyrs and today’s heroes like our beloved Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, Dr Ayman al-Zawahri and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and all the other brothers and sisters that are fighting in the… of this cause.

    With this I leave you to make up your own minds and I ask you to make dua to Allah almighty to accept the work from me and my brothers and enter us into gardens of paradise.

    It requires more than having a puppy. I wonder whether you have ever been among them.

    Sorry but I didn’t quite understand,

    Dogs or moslems

    I have been among both, it fact I have been assisting the Indonesian police K-9 dept in the area I live with training dogs. Security, and sniffing for drugs and explosives.

    Like-wise I will reply to the rest a little later.

  32. September 25, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    Stefan Says:

    mm

    eeh

    mmm

    Anti-semitism ?

    Care now stephan before slinging Anti semitism around, as if you check your blog roll under the heading Video we come to a certain Mr Ted Pike and his film The other Israel , Long

    http://samyeladl.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/15/

  33. September 25, 2007 at 8:42 pm

    Eagle

    The question should be is it Islam or is it Amin Al-Husseini. I know what I think, I don’t think it is Islam but what this guy decided what Islam should be. He spewed hate and aligned himself with Nazism and Wahhabism. He was consumed more with hate than religion.

    Muslims should be informed of this guy and why he was wrong. Why no body talks about him is news to me.

    Ho Ho so you are beginning to wake up and smell the sharia

    http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/03/satanic-partnership.html

  34. September 25, 2007 at 8:49 pm

    Stefan Says:

    shiva, we do not support the suicide bombers, we are trying to fight the racial islamic ideology
    Because the terrorist Muslims have their power by using the name of Islam. We must explain from within Islam the contradiction between Islam and the bloody culture of the terrorists.

    I would like to answer this more fully, but not now as it is 3;47 AM,

  35. September 25, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    Elric66

    Can you take it a little easy here because I suspect these people are practicing a strange form of Islam.

    If they are may-be you have some thing to learn

  36. September 25, 2007 at 9:26 pm

    OK, I got it, then killing themselves is secondary factor, so what?…

    they are still suiciders and homiciders.

    you may feel better.

    no wonder why they are that much miserable; they were even unable to draw their own country’s borders.

    “OUR WORDS ARE DEAD UNTIL WE GIVE THEM LIFE WITH OUR BLOOD.”

    what a state of hopelesness!!…

    it is impossible to feel extremely sorry for those victims on both sides.

    they have been suffering from gangrene.

    acute social infection either rooted in or out of the society, or both, causes terrorism as gangrene.

    “Gangrene is necrosis and subsequent decay of body tissues caused by infection or thrombosis or lack of blood flow.”

    so, can we say U.S. is doing the right surgery in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, possibly in Iran, and etc.?

    I am a Muslim, Shiva. I am not defending them. I am not supporting them. I am not couraging. More importantly I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM. I am not trying to prove that they are innocent, or right or well doing. They are not. I just understand them. I also understand Kurds, Chechens, Jews, Armenians, etc., however, I do not APPROVE their actions.

    Do you want me to tell you something?

    Are you aware of all of those hopeless people are relying on SOME FALSE statements hidden in the true facts?

    Do you know why?: Their leader or whoever lead them to perish innocences, have to make some false statements and cover those lies with some part of reality to convince them to do whatever they are ordered to do, because THERE CAN BE NO REAL REASON OR EXCUSE FOR KILLING INNOCENCES, they have to mix the reality with lie.

  37. 39 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    Stefan,

    You should understand that though the West is called a ‘Christian’ nation, it doesn’t mean that all Americans are Christian. I for one am, but don’t get the wrong idea that all Americans or non-Muslims are Christians. I don’t want Christianity given a bad name 😀 because some don’t know how to behave. 😀 Just like all Muslims are NOT believers in the terrorist ideology.

    Peace to you as always. 😀
    Eagle

  38. 40 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    Shiva,

    I’m glad you read that part, but what about what else I wrote. What about not giving credit to the people here that are trying to do the right thing in regards to pointing out why the radicals are wrong. I think it is a valid point, instead of trying to convince moderate Muslims that they are wrong, you should be encouraging them. You should be doing the same thing that they are doing. You should be trying to point out the error of radical Islamist, to Muslims in general, we all should, instead of slamming Islam as a whole. There is no purpose in that. It solves no problem, it only creates more. I know I will never change elric’s mind, but what about yours?? Can you tell me why it is OK to try and convince the writers of this blog how they are wrong, and if they were ‘true’ Muslims, they would be out there killing people??

  39. September 25, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Dear Eagle,

    I, personally, appreciate for your sincere effort to communicate with Muslims. May God bless you for your effort.

    But, do you know what is my wildest dream is?; to be able to make even only one person in this life to say “World is better with a Muslim”, since nobody see no value in Muslims and Islam. I do not want to be accepted as ‘other’, I want to be accepted as one of the unabandonable values of the life in at least one person’s eyes no matter who or what he/she is either Christian, agnostic, Budhist, Shamanist or atheist, better in a lot of people’s eyes of course, but I would settle for even only one single any non-Muslim person. 🙂

    Even though there certainly are values in the Islam and Muslims, everybody seems to agree that the ‘WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE IF THOSE MUSLIMS DO NOT EXIST EVER’. I reject and protest this rejection, and I strongly empathize Jews as they have been experiencing the similar treatment all over the world. Please, no offense. It is the human nature. In a Muslim country for example, a Christian or Jew would be treated as ‘different or strange other’, but not with as extreme rejection as Muslims receive. 🙂

    Peace,

  40. 42 Eagle
    September 25, 2007 at 10:40 pm

    Sukran,

    I totally understand what you are saying, please accept my deepest apology for people being closed minded and hurtful. It is not something that I believe in. It’s not something that Jesus Christ taught. I know how hurtful words can be, and how you just want to be accepted because you are a Muslim and not inspite of it. You can consider that from me. I do appreciate what you are doing, only you as a Muslim can do it. You are making a difference in this world, because you are being part of the solution, not the problem. I would rather count you as my friend than a Westerner who spews hate.

    The sad fact of the matter is this, Muslim is the new black. It wasn’t right when we did it during WW2 to Japanise Americans, it wasn’t right how we treated black Americans, and its not right now. I do my small bit, your contribution is greater, because you know the faith. I know that most Muslims don’t agree with the terrorist ideology, but we need people like you, just in case others are leaning that way. My hope is that we may influence people to do the right thing and that includes Westerners. There will always be that element out there, that no matter what you say, will not listen. But don’t beat yourself up over that. Don’t get discouraged. You are valuable to the human race BECAUSE, you are Muslim, not inspite of it. 😀

    Peace to you my friend, and to all Muslims who are fighting the good fight of straighting out misperception, or misunderstanding.

    Eagle 😀

  41. September 26, 2007 at 2:31 am

    Eagle

    I totally understand what you are saying, please accept my deepest apology for people being closed minded and hurtful.

    What gives you the authority to apologize for me and many like myself. Who do do think you are, Jesus ?

  42. September 26, 2007 at 2:52 am

    Thank you Eagle, thank you for your beautiful words, they mean a lot. Peace in our mind, peace in our words. Peace in our heart, peace in our eyes. That is all we need.

    May Allah bless you and help everyone who try to establish peace among people.

  43. September 26, 2007 at 3:00 am

    Shiva,

    Eagle apologized for people being close minded and hurtful, perhaps he/she does not consider you as close minded and hurtful. 🙂

    You are not hurtful Shiva. You are and people like you are reminders to Muslims who have to do better for themselves and rest of the world.

    BTW, everybody can be Jesus. Jesus is an EXAMPLE and PROOF for what humanbeing is capable to be.

  44. 46 Eagle
    September 26, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    Shiva,

    No I don’t consider myself Jesus, but I do try to live by the example He set.

    I wasn’t calling you anything, I was merely telling Sukran that I knew how words can sometimes cut deeper than anything else. She doesn’t deserve that, most Muslims don’t deserve that. I wanted her to know that not every person in the West think badly of all Muslims. I also wanted to encourage her to keep doing what she is doing. It is important, and something that only other Muslims can do.

    I have to say, there were times when I thought of throwing in the towel just because of the attacks. Salahudin is taking at least 2 weeks off for the same reason. I think it’s pretty crummy when others drive good people to want to quit. I apologise because there is precious little of it going around. Everyone is too busy being ‘right’. When I see people who are part of the solution, I want to encourage them to keep going. Does that help you??

  45. 47 cerebate
    September 27, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Sukran
    “to be able to make even only one person in this life to say World is better with a Muslim”
    Yep. And i can think of many examples , people I’ve known and people from my country(India)

    But you know what, I long for the day when this qualification of muslim wont be necessary. To give you an example for what I mean, India beat Pakistan in a cricket match , and at the presentation ceremony, The pak captain thanked the people of pakistan and the muslims all over the world. Truly ironical because the man of the match was an Irfan Pathan from India, a muslim whose father is a muezzin. And someone wrote, that inspite of our problems , We admire Irfan pathan and Shah Rukh Khan (a film star) because of what they have done , not because of what identity they have. and for me thats the way it should be.


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