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Sep
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Salat Timings of Quran, part-II


Salat Timings of Quran are mentioned in the following verses:

In Quran 11:114, three Salat Times are described at both ends of the day, and at night.

And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night. (Sura Hud (11), 114. Translation by Yusuf Ali).

“You shall observe the contact prayers at both ends of the daylight, that is, during the adjacent hours of the night”. (11:114).

وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

(Sura Hud: 11:114).

“You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayers) at the ends of the day, and zulufann min al-layl.” (11:114).

فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ آنَاءِ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَى

(Sura Taha: 20:130).

Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy. (20:130).

فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ الْغُرُوبِ

(Sura Qaf: 50:39).

وَمِنَ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْهُ وَأَدْبَارَ السُّجُودِ

(Sura Qaf: 50:40).

Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise, and before sunset. (50:39). During the night you shall meditate on His name, and after prostrating. (50:40).

أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

(Sura Al-Isra 17:78).

Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).

Further “Verily, Prayers are enjoined upon the Believers at times assigned in a written document.” (Quran 4:103/4:104 in some translations).

“O you who believe, when the Salat is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew. Once the prayer is completed, you may spread through the land to seek God’s bounties, and continue to remember God frequently, that you may succeed.” (62:9-10).

And neither speak thy Prayer aloud nor speak it in a low tone but seek a middle course between. (Sura Al-Isra (17) verse 110 Translation by Yusuf Ali).

For the usage of the word “Esha” (evening) see: 12:16; 79:46.

The times of Dawn & Evening Prayers are defined above. The middle or Salat Al-Wusta can be observed from the moment the sun begins its descend from its highest point in the sky (duluk al shams) until the darkness of the night (ghasaq al-layl) starts to set in, which is at sunset.

“You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayer) from when the sun declines from its highest point up till the ‘ghasaq al-layl’ (the darkness of the night).” (17:78).

“You shall observe the contact prayer when the sun goes down until the darkness of the night. You shall also observe the Quran at dawn. Reading the Quran at dawn is witnessed.” (17:78).

The Verse 38:32 implies that the time of the Middle prayer ends with sunset.

The Fajr (Dawn) Prayer starts when the first thin ray of light is observed in the sky.

“The white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn.” (2:187).

The time for the dawn prayer is also given in the Quran with the words.

” …….. and at dawn as the stars fade away.” (52:49).

The Dawn prayer ends at the first “taraf” (terminal) of the day which is sunrise (11:114).

From the above cited verses Quran Alone group says that there are Three Salat Timings in the Quran. Whereas Ahle Hadith group proves from the same cited verses that there are Five Salat Timings. .

Contact Prayers in Biblical Passages

Contact Prayers in Biblical passages are striking.

“And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded.” (1 Samuel 20:41).

“As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.” (Psalms 55:16-17) (PS: crying aloud apparently means praying with passion).

“Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did afortime.” (Daniel 6:10).

See also

Quranic References

References are Quranic not only Qur’an Alone sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salah

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47 Responses to “Salat Timings of Quran, part-II”


  1. 2 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 23, 2007 at 1:37 am

    ==Salat Asr==

    Al-Salat ([[Salah]]) [[Al-Wusta]], or the Middle Prayer, is mentioned in [[Quran]] as follows:

    حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ

    (2:238)

    It is to be noted that the [[Asr]] daily [[prayer]] is not mentioned by name in the Qur’an at 2:238 as claimed at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asr] but the middle prayer (Al-Wusta: الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى).

    The Asr daily prayer is mentioned in the following [[Hadith]] along with many others as:

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from al-Qaqa ibn Hakim that Abu Yunus, the mawla of A’isha, umm al-muminin said, “Aisha ordered to write out a Qur’an for her. She said to him, ‘When you reach this ayat, let me know, ‘Guard the prayer carefully and the middle prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’ When I reached it I told her, and she dictated to me, ‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’ Aisha said, ‘I heard it from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.'” ([[Al-Muwatta]], Hadith No. 8.8.26).

    From the above Hadith (‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.) it is clear that middle prayer (Al-Wusta: الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) and the [[Asr]] are not the same prayer.

    The following Ahadith described that The [[Prophet]] (s.a.s) did NOT teach his [[Companions]] what to recite in [[Zuhr]] and ‘Asr prayers. [http://www.mostmerciful.com/realities-of-our-daily-prayers.htm].

    Narrated Abu Ma’mar: We asked Khabbab whether Allah’s Apostle used to recite (the Qur’an) in the Zuhr and the ‘Asr prayers. He replied in the affirmative. We said, “How did you come to know about it?” He said, “By the movement of his beard.” ([[Sahih Bukhari]], Book 12: Characteristics of Prayer, Volume 1, Number 713).

    Narrated Abu Ma’mar: I asked Khabbab whether the Prophet used to recite the Qur’an in the Zuhr and the ‘Asr prayers. He replied in the affirmative. We said, “How did you come to know that?” He said, “From the movement of his beard.” (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 12, Number 727).

    Al-Salat (Salah) Al-Wusta, The Middle Prayer is mentioned in Quran as well as in Hadith as:

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from al-Qaqa ibn Hakim that Abu Yunus, the mawla of A’isha, umm al-muminin said, “Aisha ordered to write out a Qur’an for her. She said to him, ‘When you reach this ayat, let me know, ‘Guard the prayer carefully and the middle prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’
    When I reached it I told her, and she dictated to me, ‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’
    Aisha said, ‘I heard it from the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.'” (Al-Muwatta, Hadith No. 8.8.26).

    Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam that Amr ibn Rafi said, “I was writing a Qur’an for Hafsah, Umm al-mu’minin, and she said, ‘When you reach this ayat, let me know, `Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and stand obedient to Allah.’
    When I reached it I told her and she dictated to me, ‘Guard the prayers carefully and the middle prayer and the asr prayer and stand obedient to Allah.'” (Al-Muwatta, Hadith No. 8.8.27).

    Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit: The middle prayer is the prayer of zuhr. (Al-Muwatta, Hadith No. 8.8.28).

    Narrated Ali bin Abi Talib: We were in the company of the Prophet on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (the Trench). The Prophet said, “May Allah fill their (the infidels’) graves and houses with fire, as they have kept us so busy that we could not offer the middle prayer till the sun had set; and that prayer was the ‘Asr prayer.” (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 405).

    Narrated ‘Ali: On the day of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), the Prophet said ‘(Let) Allah fill their (i.e. the infidels’) houses and graves with fire just as they have prevented us from offering the Middle Prayer (i.e. ‘Asr prayer) till the sun had set.” (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 437).

    ‘Ali reported: When it was the day (of the Battle) of Ahzab, the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: May Allah fill their graves and houses with fire, as they detained us and diverted us from the middle prayer, till the sun set. (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1309).

    ‘Ali reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: On the day (of the Battle) of Ahzab we were diverted from the middle prayer, till the sun set. May Allah fill their graves or their houses, or their stomachs with fire. The narrator is in doubt about” houses” and” stomachs”. (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1311).

    Yahya heard ‘Ali saying that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said on the day (of the Battle) of Ahzab, while sitting in one of the openings of the ditch: They (the enemies) have diverted us from the middle prayer till the sun set. May Allah fill their graves and their houses with fire, or their graves and stomachs with fire. (Sahih Muslim Book 004, Number 1313).

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas’ud: The polytheists detained the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) from observing the afternoon prayer till the sun became red or it became yellow. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: They have diverted us from (offering) the middle prayer, i.e. the Asr prayer, May Allah fill their bellies and their graves with fire, or he said: May Allah stuff their bellies and their graves with fire. (Sahih Muslim, Hadith No. 1315).

    Narrated Aisha: AbuYunus, the freed salve of Aisha said: Aisha ordered me to transcribe a copy of the Qur’an for her and said: When you reach this verse: “Guard the prayers and the middle prayer” (ii.238), inform me; so when I reached it, I informed her and she gave me dictation (like this): Guard the prayers and the middle prayer, and the afternoon prayer, and stand up truly obedient to Allah, Aisha said: This is how I have heard from the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith No. 1316).

    Narrated Al-Bara ibn Azib: This verse was revealed (in this way): “Guard the prayers and the Asr prayer.” We recited it (in this very way) as long as Allah desired. Allah then abrogated it and it was revealed: “Guard the prayers, and the middle prayer.”
    Someone who was sitting with Shaqiq (one of the narrators in the chain of transmitters) said: Now it implies the Asr prayer. Upon this al-Bara’ said: I have already informed you how this (verse) was revealed and how Allah abrogated it, and Allah knows best. Imam Muslim said: Ashja’i narrated it from Sufyan ath-Thawri, who narrated it from al-Aswad ibn Qays, who narrated it from Uqbah, who narrated it from al-Bara ibn Azib who said: We recited with the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) (the above-mentioned verse like this, i.e. instead of Salat al-Asr) for a certain period, as it has been mentioned (in the hadith quoted above). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith No. 1317).

    Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas’ud and Samurah ibn Jundub: Allah’s Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said, It is the afternoon prayer (Asr) which is the middle prayer.
    Transmitted by Tirmidhi. (Mishkat Al-Masabih, Hadith No. 0634).

    Narrated Zayd ibn Thabit; Aisha: The Middle prayer is the noon prayer.
    Malik transmitted it from Zayd and Tirmidhi from both of them without a full isnad. (Mishkat Al-Masabih, Hadith No. 0636).

    All the above quoted Hadith collections about “The Middle Prayer” do not clearly indicate that which one is “The Middle Prayer”? But rather than they confuse the situation.

    According to some Hadith, it is Zuhr prayer & according to some Hadith, it is Asr prayer. Further the meaning & status of verse (2.238) is made confusing by the Hadith.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Salah#Salat_Asr

  2. September 23, 2007 at 2:33 am

    thank you rana for your useful contribution

    i think its more logical that the salat al wusta is the maghrib

    وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

    (Sura Hud: 11:114).

    “You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayers) at the ends of the day, and zulufann min al-layl.” (11:114).

    three timings identified,

    sunrise,

    sunset

    and early hours of the night (zulufann min al-layl).

    three timings named

    salat al fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) verse 24:58
    al salat al wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) verse 2:238
    Salat al esha (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء) verse 24:58

    there are no evidence for the asr and dhuhr prayers in the quran.

    only in the hadith .

    if we take the five salat theory, then salat al asr is definitely al salat el wusta.

    fajr
    dhuhr

    asr

    maghrib
    esha

    and i think sahih muslim agrees too

  3. 4 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 23, 2007 at 6:44 pm

    AA.

    Please note “Al” with ( الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) and ( الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى ) common.

    Thanks.

  4. September 23, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    rana,
    i think that the “al” is because of the following :

    al fajr is a timing, there is a prescribed prayer at that time thats way it called salat al fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) because it belongs to that specific time.

    the same for al esha,

    While al wusta is an adjective (seffa) or a characteristic thats why the “al” is there .
    like al kobra , al soghra etc..

  5. September 23, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ

    أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ

    i think both verses are talking about several times thats why there is “al” because its talking about a single salat

  6. September 23, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    if it was called ” salat al ghoroob ” it was going to be

    “hafezo ala al salawat w salat al ghoroob

    and not

    “hafezo ala al salawat w al salat al ghoroob

    🙂

  7. 8 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 24, 2007 at 12:53 am

    “”Five Salats mentioned in the Quran””

    One can says that there are Five Salats mentioned in the Quran for “Friday”, that is:

    1- Salat Fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) (Dawn Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).

    2. Salat Jumu’ah (صَلَاةِ جمعة ِ) = Salat Dhuhr (ظهر), for other days.

    2- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) ), (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) = Salat Asr (عصر).

    4. (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ), (Sura Al-Isra 17:78) = Salat Maghrib (مغرب).

    5. Salat Isha’a (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) (Night Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).

    What about others days? What is against this logic?

  8. September 24, 2007 at 2:10 am

    what against this logic is that Dhuhr (24:58) and asr (103:1) as a timing are mentioned in the quran

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ مِن قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِن بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَّكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُم بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌَ

    O YOU who have attained to faith! At three times (of day), let (even) those whom you rightfully pos¬sess, as well as those from among you who have not yet attained to puberty, ask leave of you (before intruding upon your privacy): before the fajr prayer , and whenever you lay aside your garments in the middle of the day, and after the esha prayer : the three occasions on which your nakedness is likely to be bared. Beyond these (occasions), neither you nor they will incur any sin if they move (freely) about you, attending to (the needs of)one another. In this way God makes clear unto you His messages: for God is all-knowing, wise! 24:58

    the word Dhuhr ( الظَّهِيرَةِ) is there as a timing along with fajr and esha without the mentioning of a salat at that timing while the other two timings are connected to a salat.

    أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

    Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.17:78

    the timing is given without the name .

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا نُودِي لِلصَّلَاةِ مِن يَوْمِ الْجُمُعَةِ فَاسْعَوْا إِلَى ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ وَذَرُوا الْبَيْعَ ذَلِكُمْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ

    O you who believe, when the Prayer is called to at a time of gathering, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew. 62:9

    Salat Jumu’ah (صَلَاةِ جمعة ِ) is not given in this form and no timing mentioned.
    it could be any of the prayers (salawat) mentioned in the quran on a busy friday
    and its not a daily prayer

    if we take the three salat scenario, we will have the three salat named with their timings.

  9. September 25, 2007 at 12:01 am

    Dhuhr as a Rest Time not as a Salat Time

    The word “Dhuhr” (24:58) but not as a “Salat Dhuhr” ( الظَّهِيرَةِ ) and “Asr” (103:1) but not as a “Salat Asr” (عصر).are mentioned in the Quran. These words are present in the Quran as a timings, First as a rest time (24:58) instead of Salat is mentioned in the Quran.

    Why?, How interesting!

  10. September 25, 2007 at 12:14 am

    yes rana, isn’t it suspicious ?

  11. 12 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 25, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    Salat before Sunrise is Asr Salah?

    All the arguments, reasoning and logic described earlier may be correct, but there is a problem, for which, I do not have a satisfactory answer, and I feel myself helpless.

    In the following verses, One Salah before sunrise is mentioned as below:

    فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ آنَاءِ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَى

    (Sura Taha: 20:130).

    Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy. (20:130).

    فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ الْغُرُوبِ

    (Sura Qaf: 50:39).

    وَمِنَ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْهُ وَأَدْبَارَ السُّجُودِ

    (Sura Qaf: 50:40).

    Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise, and before sunset. (50:39). During the night you shall meditate on His name, and after prostrating. (50:40).

    If Salah before sunrise is Asr Salah, then there are Five Salah in the Quran, but then the Question is that, if there is one salah (Asr)or Two Salah (Dhuhr and Asr) before sunrise.

    ???

  12. September 25, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    the above verses are concerning (سَبِّحْ) = to praise ,

    and it seems that they are connected to salat.

    i think both (التسبيح) and (الصَّلاَةَ) are two different actions .

    – Timings of (التسبيح)

    فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ آنَاءِ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَى

    Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy. (20:130)

    (َأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ) are also timings of salat

    وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

    “You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayers) at the ends of the day, and zulufann min al-layl.” (11:114).

    thats why they are connected and (قَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا) is one of the two (َ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَار) therefore its right before sunset.

    you may say that (التسبيح) and (الصَّلاَةَ) at sunset time, must end at sunset that why there is (لِِ) in (لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْس) which indicates that timing is right before sunset.

  13. 14 koranist
    September 25, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Rana Ammar Mazhar Says:
    September 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
    Salat before Sunrise is Asr Salah?

    All the arguments, reasoning and logic described earlier may be correct, but there is a problem, for which, I do not have a satisfactory answer, and I feel myself helpless.

    End quote

    This is talking about tasbih(praising) God and not Salaat. We are talking about iqamat Al Salat, which is the establishment of the prayers or contact ritual.

    So so far we have established that theer are 3 salaats, one in fajr or morning, one in maghrib or sunrise and one at night.

    This makes sense since during the noon and afternoon people generally are working.

    Hmm, interesting.

    However in the Bible we have morning, noon, and night.

    So which is it?

  14. 15 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 26, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    Here

    فَاصْبِرْ عَلَى مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ الْغُرُوبِ

    (Sura Qaf: 50:39).

    وَمِنَ اللَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْهُ وَأَدْبَارَ السُّجُودِ

    (Sura Qaf: 50:40).

    Tasbih (praising) with prostrating ( السُّجُود ) indicates that it is Salah.

  15. September 26, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    i think that

    ( قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ ) is right before ( الْفَجْرِ ) sunrise.
    (قَبْلَ الْغُرُوبِ) is right before (ِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ ) sunset.
    (مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ) is right after (الْعِشَاء ) which is the starting point of the darkness of the night.

    if (قَبْلَ الْغُرُوبِ) is the asr which is several hours before sunset,
    then we have to consider ( قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ ) another salat several hours before sunrise.

    as you can see, all the timings are identified according to the sun.

    we can not identify ( قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ )unless its the time right before sunrise when the sun is not seen but the light can be seen.

    حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمُ الْخَيْطُ الأَبْيَضُ مِنَ الْخَيْطِ الأَسْوَدِ مِنَ الْفَجْرِ

    until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn2:187

    ْ
    (التسبيح) and (الصَّلاَةَ)
    i think they are both integrated in time but they have different meanings

  16. September 26, 2007 at 7:18 pm

    please chk

    Root سبح

    Root صلو

    Root ركع

    Root سجد

    and tell me your opinion.

    peace 🙂

  17. 18 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 29, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    Problem of Ahle Quran (Quran Alone) regarding Salah

    Ahle Quran (Quran Alone) is in problem regarding nature of Salah, number of Salah, its timings and interpretation.

    Some says there are Two Salah, Khawaja Ahmed Din Amritsari [1861-1936], [http://www.aboutquran.com/ba/bio/kAhmaddin/bln_p1.djvu].

    Some says there are Three Salah, Abdullah Chakralawi [d.1930], [http://www.aboutquran.com/ba/bio/balaghulquran/bQuran.htm].

    Some says there are Five Salah, The code 19 and the 24434 format, [https://pressthat.wordpress.com/wp-admin/178.html].

    Some says it is Divine System not to perform five times a day, Dr. Shabbir Ahmed, “The Qur’an As It Explains Itself”, [http://ourbeacon.com].

    The statement, “According to the Quranic law, God did not specify any specific number of Raka to be observed in the Salat, thus it is left to the individual, [three salat authorised in the quran]”, also creates problem.

    What is actual fact and meaning of Verses ?
    Help is needed !

  18. September 29, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    Dear Rana,

    Quote1-Some says there are Two Salah, Khawaja Ahmed Din Amritsari [1861-1936], [http://www.aboutquran.com/ba/bio/kAhmaddin/bln_p1.djvu].

    حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
    ََ
    Maintain the prayers and the Mid-prayer, and stand obedient to God.2:238

    A two prayer scenario doesn’t support ( الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى َ ), it has to be an odd number.

    Quote2-Some says there are Five Salah, The code 19 and the 24434 format, [https://pressthat.wordpress.com/wp-admin/178.html].

    Indeed the miracle of the Quran is IN THE QURAN ….. it is not in personal calculations worked out by employing non-Quranic data to prove non-Quranic issues!
    https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/does-the-code-of-the-quran/

    Quote3-The statement, “According to the Quranic law, God did not specify any specific number of Raka to be observed in the Salat, thus it is left to the individual, [three salat authorised in the quran]”, also creates problem.

    ْ

    فَأَقِيمُواْ الصَّلاَةَ إِنَّ الصَّلاَةَ كَانَتْ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ كِتَابًا مَّوْقُوتًا

    Perform Prayer (as prescribed); surely the Prayer WAS a TIMED prescription for the Believers.4:103

    God is telling us to preform prayers and that they were prescribed before and they were done at specific timings, which indicates that that salat of the Quran is related to the salat prescribed to the people before the Quran’s revelation.
    God tells us that all the religious practices were already established before the Quran’s revelation (8:35; 9:54; 16:123;21:73; 22:27; 28:27)
    All the messengers after Abraham practiced daily contact prayers, obligatory charity, and fasting (2:43; 3:43; 11:87; 19:31,59;20:14).

    The Quran does not specify any number of units for prayers because each prayer has a different state of mind for the individual, sometimes he is need for help and sometimes he is satisfied and he needs to thank God .

    Thats why it is permissible to shorten the length of a salat if in danger (fear)

    وَإِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي الأَرْضِ فَلَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ جُنَاحٌ أَن تَقْصُرُواْ مِنَ الصَّلاَةِ إِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَن يَفْتِنَكُمُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ إِنَّ الْكَافِرِينَ كَانُواْ لَكُمْ عَدُوًّا مُّبِينًا

    And when you go forth in the land, it is no fault in you that you shorten the Prayer, if you fear that the unbelievers will put you to trouble; the unbelievers are surely an open enemy to you.4:101

    The most important thing is to understand what you are saying in the prayers.

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَارَى حَتَّىَ تَعْلَمُواْ مَا تَقُولُون

    O Believers, do not draw near to the Prayer when you are drunken, until you know what you are saying,4:43

    it is not the repetition of a few words sequence without knowing their meanings.

    Quote4-Salah is Divine System to establish, Salah is not a pray to perform three or five times a day”.
    Some says it is Divine System not to perform five times a day, Dr. Shabbir Ahmed, “The Qur’an As It Explains Itself”, [http://ourbeacon.com].

    Maintain the prayers and the Mid-prayer, and stand obedient to God.

    حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
    َ
    And if you have fear, then (pray) afoot or mounted; and when you are secure, remember God as He has taught you what you knew not.2:238-239

    فَإنْ خِفْتُمْ فَرِجَالاً أَوْ رُكْبَانًا فَإِذَا أَمِنتُمْ فَاذْكُرُواْ اللّهَ كَمَا عَلَّمَكُم مَّا لَمْ تَكُونُواْ تَعْلَمُون

    remember God as He has taught you

    i think the contact prayers as a practice described in the book, requires more understanding and neglecting basics such as timings, the direction and ablution makes salat different from contact prayers as prescribed in the book.

    i would like to note that the current sunni salat program doesn’t support books of hadith 100% even shiites have their own program, which indicates that the prophet did not leave a systematic prayers program.

    God knows best

    Peace 🙂

  19. 20 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    September 29, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    Please comment on “Salah is Divine System to establish, Salah is not a pray to perform three or five times a day”.

    Thanks.

  20. September 30, 2007 at 4:47 am

    to be more accurate, the following verses are enough to confirm the timings of the salat

    وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

    And thou shall hold the contact-method at two edges during the day, and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember. 11:114

    three timings are given as points (sunrise, sunset, early darkness)

    salat al fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) verse 24:58
    al salat al wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) verse 2:238
    Salat al esha (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء) verse 24:58


    three names are given in the Quran

    أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

    Thou shall hold the contact-method until the dipping of the sun; until the darkness of the night; and the Quran at dawn, the Quran at dawn has been witnessed.17:78


    three periods of time are described

    first salat (ل) until –( ِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْس )– second salat (إِلَى) until –( غَسَقِ اللَّيْل )– third salat –( الْفَجْر )–

    or (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) then ( ِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْس ) then (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) then ( غَسَقِ اللَّيْل ) then (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء) then ( الْفَجْر )

    or (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) then ( طَرَفَ النَّهَارِ ) then (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) then ( غَسَقِ اللَّيْل ) then (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء) then ( طَرَفَ النَّهَارِ )

    and the cycle goes on .

    and ( صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء ) is after ( غَسَقِ اللَّيْل ) which is within َ( َزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْل ) the near part of the night or the early night

  21. 23 koranist
    September 30, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    I think its fajr and Isha and the middle is anytime between noon to sunset. As these are the two ends of the day(nahar). Nahar starts at noon and ends at sunset.

    As far as sun’s decline it could men either noon or after noon. The sun declines I think after the noon time at asr time. Or is it at noon time?

    But the koran mentions 3 salat and that what the previous scriptues also mentioned.

  22. September 30, 2007 at 7:27 pm

    * د ل ك * * دلك * الشيء من باب نصر و * دلكت * الشمس زالت وبابه دخل ومنه قوله تعالى { أقم الصلاة لدلوك الشمس { وقيل * دلوكها * غروبها

    D L K *dlk* , “dalakat” = “disappeared” or “gone”

    أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

    Thou shall hold the contact-method until the dipping of the sun; until the darkness of the night; and the Quran at dawn, the Quran at dawn has been witnessed.17:78

    “duluk al shams” is at ghorob/sunset (maghrib)

    غروب = sunset

    which is the salat al wusta

  23. September 30, 2007 at 8:42 pm

    nahar starts at sunrise and ends at sunset.

    (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) belongs to the (الْفَجْرِ)fajr as a timings, you cannot perform (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) salat al fajr at noon.

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ مِن قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِن بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَّكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُم بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌَ

    O YOU who have attained to faith! At three times (of day), let (even) those whom you rightfully possess, as well as those from among you who have not yet attained to puberty, ask leave of you (before intruding upon your privacy): before the fajr prayer , and whenever you lay aside your garments in the middle of the day, and after the esha prayer : the three occasions on which your nakedness is likely to be bared. Beyond these (occasions), neither you nor they will incur any sin if they move (freely) about you, attending to (the needs of)one another. In this way God makes clear unto you His messages: for God is all-knowing, wise! 24:58

    this indicates that ( صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ )is the end of the first private period.

    then the second private period at ( الظَّهِيرَةِ ) noon.

    the third private period starts after ( صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء ) which occurs at ( َزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ ) the near part of the night.

    the period in which (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى)occurs,
    between sunset and the total darkness of the night, which is a short period, thats why it is mentioned exclusively in

    حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
    ََ
    Maintain the prayers and the Mid-prayer, and stand obedient to God.2:238

    i think

    (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ ) at ( الْفَجْرِ )
    (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) at ( ِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْس )sunset
    (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاء) at ( الْعِشَاء )

  24. October 1, 2007 at 3:42 am

    I am neither an expert on salat or Islam, nor I know Arabic to interpret the Qur’anic verses from its original. I have been trying to make clear my understanding on salat while following the comments under this topic, thanks to all, I have learned a lot and more importantly I have recognized my own confusion on salat and I want to share with you:

    1- I feel that, three or five, contact prayer timings mentioning in Qur’an are only minimum. It is useful for us to observe salat as much as we can if we have time to do it satisfactory.

    2- My understanding from the verses 11:114, 20:139, 50:39-40, 17:78, 2:238 and 24:58 altogether there are supposed to be more than THREE prayers in a day, if we assume ‘praising and glorifying’ are indicating contact prayers as well.

    3- But, it seems contact prayers and praising/glorifying Allah are different actions.

    4- Finally, my sense about five times praying in a day is, especially observing four times during the daytime is ‘interrupting’ the daily life more than ‘giving self-satisfaction’. Praying is supposed to give relaxation/time out and also such an awareness or recognition at least some clues on ‘where we are in the universe’, ‘what and who we are’, ‘what we are doing in life for the purpose of being well, doing well for our own and for others’, ‘what is the purpose of our existing’, ‘where is Allah in our daily life’, etc. Personally, performing wudu almost every time before praying and than observation of the salat five times in a day cause too much interruption, I ask forgiveness from Allah if I am thinking, doing and expressing the wrong.

    So, in sum, I pray three times in a day, morning, noon and night. I hope I am doing right.

    I just wanted to share my mixed and confused senses and understanding on salat timings.

    Peace,

  25. October 1, 2007 at 3:58 am

    Sukran,

    I agree with you on the personal level that it is a minimum for the individual but according to my understanding, the arabs distorted the concept of salat since the beginning .

    first, it is important to find out the timings to call people to attend the prayers session at the temple (mosque).

    O you who believe, if the contact-method is called to on the day of assembly, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew. 62:9

    And if you call to the contact-method, they take it as fun and games. That is because they are a people who do not understand. 5:58

    the arabs banned women from attending prayers at almost every temple and they do not dress nicely.

    O Children of Adam, dress nicely at every temple, and eat and drink and do not indulge; He does not like the indulgers. 7:31

    Say: “My Lord orders justice, and that you be devoted at every temple, and that you call on Him, while being faithful to Him in the system; as He initiated you, so you will return.” 7:29

    they preach sunni/shii harmful teachings

    And there are those who establish a temple to do harm and cause rejection, and to divide between the believers, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they are liars. 9:107

    Do not uphold in it ever. A temple that is founded on righteousness from the first day is more worthy that you uphold in it; in it are men who love to be cleansed. And God loves the cleansed. 9:108

    Rather, the temples of God are maintained by he who believes in God and the Last Day, and he holds the contact-method, and he contributes towards betterment, and he does not fear except God. It is these that will be of the guided ones. 9:18

    we are losing the whole idea, the temple is for praying and has to be founded on righteousness from the first day.

    Peace 🙂

  26. October 1, 2007 at 6:28 am

    You are right, Stefan, we have done big mistakes since the beginning. Dividence into sects, exclusion of woman from the mosque and social life by claiming they are not capable enough mentally and ethically to join the man, establishing another religion opposing and even violating the Qur’an, etc…These are the things always scare me when I think deeply. 😦

  27. October 1, 2007 at 6:37 am

    http://www.islam-qa.com
    Question No 3440

    “The misguided sect of al-Qur’aaniyyeen”

    Moreover, we would ask these people: where are the aayaat which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or which tell us about the nisaab on various kinds of wealth for the purpose of zakaah, or about the details of the rituals of Hajj, and other rulings which we can only know from the Sunnah?

    3440″>Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 1/44

    the question is :
    where are the aayaat which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily ?

    The ruling concerning those who deny the importance of the Sunnah is that they are kaafirs, because they deny and reject a well-known and undeniable part of the religion.
    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid Question No 604
    Justification for following the Sunnah

    no comment 😦

  28. 30 koranist
    October 1, 2007 at 10:20 pm

    Well I think that 5 times does interrupt life.

  29. 31 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    October 2, 2007 at 12:08 am

    “The two contact prayer timings mentioned in Qur’an are only minimum. It is useful for us to observe salat as much as we can if we have time to do it satisfactory”.

    The above is said by Khawaja Ahmed Din Amritsari [1861-1936] in his Tafseer Ul Quran, http://www.aboutquran.com/ba/bio/kAhmaddin/bln_p1.djvu
    .

  30. October 2, 2007 at 12:18 am

    yes rana

    but again a two contact prayer scenario is impossible because of the Middle prayer ( الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى َ ), it has to be an odd number.

    and 11:114 is mentioning three clear specific timings.

    وَأَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ذَلِكَ ذِكْرَى لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

    And thou shall hold the contact-method at two edges during the day, and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember. 11:114

    three points

    1-sunrise (1st edge of the day) or fajr
    2-sunset (2nd edge of the day) or maghrib
    3-early hours of the night (the near part of the night) ( َزُلَفًا مِّنَ اللَّيْلِ ) or esha

    the three timings are confirmed
    no one will disagree on that.

    i think khawaja ahmed forgot one …

    peace

  31. 33 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    October 2, 2007 at 1:32 am

    Yes.
    Peace

  32. 36 Rana Ammar Mazhar
    October 8, 2007 at 10:56 pm

    NO. OF PRAYERS IN THE QUR’AN & HADITH

    My Question is same as that of Umar ibn AbdulAziz that the times of
    SALAT were decided by Quran or Hadith?
    Read the Hadith!
    THIS IS THE FIRST HADITH OF FIRST BOOK OF HADITH AL-MUWATTA SUPPORTED
    BY SAHIH AL-BUKHARI.
    1.1.1 ABUMAS’UD AL-ANSARI AL-MUWATTA
    THE TIMES OF PRAYER
    Umar ibn AbdulAziz one day delayed prayer. Urwah ibn az-Zubayr came and
    told him that al-Mughirah ibn shu’bah had delayed the prayer one day
    while he was in Kufah and AbuMas’ud al-Ansari had come to him and said,
    ‘What’s this, Mughirah? Don’t you know that the angel Jibril came down
    and prayed and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant
    him peace, prayed, ‘Then he prayed again, and the Messenger of Allah,
    may Allah bless him and grant him peace, prayed. Then he prayed again,
    and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace,
    prayed. The he prayed again, and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah
    bless him and grant him peace, prayed. Then he prayed again, and the
    Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, prayed.
    Then Jibril said, ‘This is what you have been ordered to do.’
    Umar ibn AbdulAziz said, ‘Be sure of what you relate, Urwah. Was it
    definitely Jibril who established the time of the prayer for the
    Messenger of Allah? Urwah said, “That’s how it was related to Bashir
    ibn AbuMas’ud al-Ansari by his father.”
    VOLUME 1.HADITH NO. 500(A) IBN SHIHAB SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
    Once Umar ibn AbdulAziz delayed the prayer and Urwah ibn az-Zubayr went
    to him and said, “Once in Iraq, al-Mughirah ibn shu’bah delayed his
    prayers and AbuMas’ud al-Ansari went to him and said, `O Mughirah! What
    is this? Don’t you know that once Gabriel came and offered the prayer
    (Fajr prayer) and Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) prayed too, then
    he prayed again (Zuhr prayer) and so did Allah’s Apostle
    (peace_be_upon_him) and again he prayed (Asr prayer) and Allah’s
    Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) did the same; again he prayed (Maghrib
    prayer) and so did Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) and again prayed
    (Isha prayer) and so did Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) and
    (Gabriel)said, `I was ordered to do so (to demonstrate the prayers
    prescribed to you)?'”
    Umar (ibn AbdulAziz) said to Urwah, “Be sure of what you say. Did
    Gabriel lead Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) at the stated times of
    the prayers?” Urwah replied, “Bashir ibn AbuMas’ud narrated like this
    on the authority of his father.”
    THE ABOVE QUESTION OF UMAR IBN ABDULAZIZ IS AS:
    ‘Be sure of what you relate, Urwah. Was it definitely Jibril who
    established the time of the prayer for the Messenger of Allah?
    Or
    “Be sure of what you say. Did Gabriel lead Allah’s Apostle
    (peace_be_upon_him) at the stated times of the prayers?”
    NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO STATEMENTS WHICH CHANGES FROM MALIK
    TO BUKHARI AS IT IS NOT THE WORD OF ALLAH BUT ONLY A HUMAN RECORD.
    BUT THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS STILL REQUIRED THAT WHO ESTABLISH THE
    TIMES OF SALAT? QURAN OR HADITH?
    THE ABOVE QUESTION OF UMAR IBN ABDULAZIZ SHOWES ACCORDING TO HIM TIMES
    OF SALST WERE ESTABLISH BY QURAN BUT NARROTOR OF HADITH STATES AN EVENT
    OUT SIDE QURAN WHEREAS QURAN HAD ALREADY ESTABLISHED THE TIMES OF
    SALAT.
    BUT IT IS INTERSTING TO NOTE THAT THE NARROTOR HAS NO ANSWER TO
    QUESTION EXCEPT TO SAY THAT HIS FATHER TOLD THIS.
    Urwah said, “That’s how it was related to Bashir ibn AbuMas’ud
    al-Ansari by his father.”
    Urwah replied, “Bashir ibn AbuMas’ud narrated like this on the
    authority of his father.”
    IT IS INTERSTING TO NOTE THAT THIS HADITH FIRST TIME DESCRIBING FIVE
    SALAT BUT DOSE NOT GIVE THEIR NAMES WHICH WERE GIVEN LATER.
    IT IS FURTHER INTERSTING TO NOTE THAT THIS HADITH FIRST TIME DESCRIBING
    FIVE SALAT BUT DOSE NOT GIVE THEIR TIMES WHICH WERE GIVEN LATER.
    (1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
    (24:58) O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and
    the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission
    (before they come to your presence), on three occasions, before morning
    prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after
    the late-night prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside
    these times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending
    to each other: thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah
    is full of knowledge and wisdom.
    (2) The Middle Prayer given in 2:238
    (2:238) Guard strictly your (habit of) SALAT (prayers), especially the
    Middle SALAT (Prayer); and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of
    mind).
    (3) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58
    (24:58) O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and
    the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission
    (before they come to your presence), on three occasions, before morning
    prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the noonday heat; and after
    the late-night prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside
    these times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending
    to each other: thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah
    is full of knowledge and wisdom.
    (4) THE THREE DAILY NAMED SALATS ARE, GIVEN IN 11:114 AND 17:78 AND
    11:114 AS:
    (11:114) And establish regular SALAT (prayers) at the two ends of the
    day and at the approaches of the night: for those things that are good
    remove those that are evil: be that the word of remembrance to those
    who remember (their Lord):
    (17:78) You shall strive in the Divine Cause from morning to night. The
    Qur’an upsprings the Light for you to witness your objective and your
    way. Its likeness is the Dawn that brings light after a dark night.
    {(42:38). And who respond to their Lord, and establish the Divine
    System and who conduct their affairs by mutual consultation. And they
    spend on others of what We have given them.}
    Yusuf Ali
    (17:78) Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the
    darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the
    prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.
    Pickthal
    (17:78) Establish worship at the going down of the sun until the dark
    of night, and (the recital of) the Qur’an at dawn. Lo! (the recital of)
    the Qur’an at dawn is ever witnessed.
    Shakir
    (17:78) Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness
    of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation
    is witnessed.
    Sher Ali
    (17:78) Observe Prayer from the declining and paling of the sun till
    the darkness of the night, and recite the Qur’an at dawn. Verily, the
    recitation of the Qur’an at dawn is specially acceptable to Allah.
    “Progressive Muslims”
    (17:78) You shall hold the assembly at the sun’s setting until the
    darkness of the night, and the Quran at dawn; the Quran at dawn has
    been witnessed.
    (17:78) Keep up prayer from the decline of the sun, until twilight a
    night; and [observe] the Reading at daybreak, since reading [the Quran]
    at daybreak will be witnessed!
    (11:114) And establish regular SALAT (prayers) at the two ends of the
    day and at the approaches of the night: for those things that are good
    remove those that are evil: be that the word of remembrance to those
    who remember (their Lord):
    QURAN DOSE NOT NAMED SALAT.AS:
    1) SALAT UL ZUHER
    2) SALAT UL ASR
    3) SALAT UL MAGHRIB
    BUT NAMED AS:
    1) SALAT UL FAJR (24:58)
    2) SALAT UL WUSTA (2:238)
    OR SALAT LI- DULOK ASH- SHAMS ‘ILAA GHASAQ AL- LAYL (17:78) I.E.,
    ANYTIME BETWEEN NOON AND SUNSET.
    3) SALAT UL ISHA (24:58)
    (76:25-26)
    (76:25) And celebrate the name of thy Lord morning and evening.(76:26)
    And part of the night, prostrate thyself to Him; and glorify Him a long
    night through.
    (24:41)
    (24:41) Seest thou not that it is Allah Whose praises all beings in the
    heavens and on earth do celebrate, and the birds (of the air) with
    wings outspread? Each one knows its own (mode of) prayer (SALAT) and
    praise (TASBEH). And Allah knows well all that they do.
    NOTE THAT TASBEH OR ZIKAR (PRAISE) & SALAT (PRAYER) ARE TWO DIFFERENT
    THINGS. TASBEH CAN BE DONE WITHOUT ABLUTION.
    BUT TERM ABLUTION REFERRING TO WASHING IS ONLY REQUIRED FOR SALAT.

    (4:43) O ye who believe! approach not salat (prayers) with a mind
    befogged until ye can understand all that ye say nor in a state of
    ceremonial impurity (except when travelling on the road) until after
    washing (total ablution or bath) your whole body if ye are ill or on a
    journey or one of you cometh from offices of nature or ye have been in
    contact with women and ye find no water then take for yourselves clean
    sand or earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth
    blot out sins and forgive again and again.
    (4:43) (Those who attain belief shall promptly establish the Divine
    System in the community, and the Masjid would assume the role of the
    community center. The believers will assemble in the Masjid for prayer,
    and to address social welfare and community action). O You who have
    chosen to be graced with belief! Join not the Salat congregation if
    your mind is beclouded for any reason, until you understand what you
    utter, else you might say senseless words that disturb the assembly.
    Physical cleanliness contributes to moral purity. So, take a bath after
    ceremonial impurity. If you are traveling, or are ill, or coming from
    the privy, and cannot find water, take a little clean sand or earth and
    lightly rub your faces and hands, before entering the Masjid. (This
    will help you prepare psychologically for the assembly (5:6)). Allah
    pardons and absolves your imperfections.

    (5:6) O ye who believe! when ye prepare for salat (prayer) wash (i.e.,
    ablution) your faces and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; rub your
    heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a
    state of ceremonial impurity bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill
    or on a journey or one of you cometh from offices of nature or ye have
    been in contact withwomen and ye find no water then take for yourselves
    clean sand or earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah doth
    not wish to place you in a difficulty but to make you clean and to
    complete His favor to you that ye may be grateful.
    (5:6) O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! When you
    congregate for Salat, wash your faces and your forearms, hands to the
    elbows. Lightly rub you heads and your feet to the ankles. If you are
    in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But, if you
    are ill or traveling, or coming from the privy, or are in a state of
    ceremonial impurity and find no water, then take clean sand or earth
    and lightly rub your faces and hands. (This will help you prepare
    mentally for congregational prayer (4:43)). Allah does not wish to
    place upon you any difficulty, but to make you clean and to perfect His
    blessings upon you, that you be grateful.

    (38:42) (The command was given:) “Strike with thy foot: here is (water)
    wherein to wash, cool and refreshing and (water) to drink.”
    AND IT IS ALWAYS TRUE THAT: “AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST” & IN QURAN
    “THERE IS NO DOUBT”.
    FOR COMMENTS & GUIDANCE PLEASE!

  33. October 9, 2007 at 6:09 am

    thanks rana

    i found your comments in the spams

    sorry for the delayed response 🙂

  34. October 11, 2007 at 12:08 am

    only 1 comment

    Quote2) SALAT UL WUSTA (2:238)
    OR SALAT LI- DULOK ASH- SHAMS ‘ILAA GHASAQ AL- LAYL (17:78) I.E.,
    ANYTIME BETWEEN NOON AND SUNSET.

    timing misunderstanding

  35. 39 Ashraf
    November 15, 2007 at 12:18 am

    Stefan,

    Salam,

    Have you consider the following sentence might refers to ONLY ONE subject matter respectively:

    1. “Dulu kis shams ila ghasiqil lail” (sun’s decline till the darkness of the night)
    2. “Faghsilu…wa aidiyakum ila al-marafiq” (Wash your hand till your elbows)
    3. “Famsahu….wa arjulakum ila al-ka’bain” (Wipe your feet till your ankles)

    Is that normal to break item 1 into 2 subject matter, since you are refering to 2 prayer time in this particular sentence ? Is there any instances of usage in similarity in other verses to support your conclusion.

    Kind regards,
    Ashraf

  36. 40 Ashraf
    November 15, 2007 at 5:00 am

    Peace,

    Stefan,

    I agree with your deduction that prayer time is odd in number and that should be 3.
    But your 2nd and 3rd prayer timing seems to be so closed to each other as it would be cumbersome.

    May you share with me the logic behind that ?

    Kind regards,

    Ashraf

  37. 41 Ashraf
    November 15, 2007 at 5:14 am

    Peace,

    Stefan and All,

    Can someone validate the following illustration:

    1. Taraf1(Edge1) Taraf2 (Edge2)
    2. Pre Sunrise Post Sunset
    3. Dulukishams Ghasakil lail
    4. Fajar Isya’

    Appreciate your response. I am not sure. I really want to correct myself.

    Kind regards,

    Ashraf

  38. November 19, 2007 at 12:15 am

    Ashraf

    Welcome to Truthbooth. Sorry for the delayed response but I have been very busy.
    I am writing an article that will address the questions you have posed. I am close to finalizing it so soon you will have my reply to your questions. Let me know what you think then so that we can discuss any of the points together.

    Stefan

  39. 43 Ashraf
    November 22, 2007 at 5:29 am

    Thanks Stefan :-). Let me know then..

  40. 44 TAHSIN. MOHIUDDIN
    December 1, 2009 at 5:38 am

    Muslims need real meanings of svalaat with five names.

  41. 45 TAHSIN. MOHIUDDIN
    December 1, 2009 at 5:40 am

    Muslims need real meanings of Svalaat with five tymes a day.
    Md. Tahsin Mohiuddin, Hyderabad, India-500028.

  42. 46 Mirza Nadeem Baig
    March 15, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Allah sent profits to guide us and we are Ummat-e-Muhammediya. Why you people not realize at that point. Only Quran Allah can do without a profit, the purpose of profit is to describe the Quran to people and how to do things mentioned in Quran. If you want guidance other than Muhammed (PBH) you can be on wrong path and you will be out from the Ummat-e-Muhammediya, please realize this and take guidance from Ahadis. Muhammed and Sahaba don’t tailing lies if you don’t believe this…..just contact directly with Allah with deep Akhlas after mid night and he will definitely help you…, he will open your heart for the haq InshaAllah. I hope if you people really want to know the truth you will consult with Allah and pray with Akhlas, ask with him for Haq with tears daily and within few days Allah will guide you.

  43. April 19, 2014 at 9:28 am

    I am not sure where you are getting your info, but good topic. I must spend a while learning more or understanding more. Thank you for excellent information I used to be on the lookout for this information for my mission.


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