14
Sep
07

Jesus, peace be upon him, was a Muslim

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We hear a great deal today about a “war,” “conflict,” or “clash” between Islam and Christianity. The topic is so prominent in the media that many people assume that there is something irreconcilable between these two approaches to God. It is not surprising, then, that so many Christians of good will have concluded that Islam and Christianity are fundamentally incompatible. Yet, if, by “Christianity,” we mean “that which Jesus Christ (pbuh) meant to convey to his hearers,” I believe that these people of good will are mistaken when they tell us that Islam is incompatible with Christianity.

What’s more, I believe we can now prove that the historically oldest Gospel verses reflecting the reported sayings of Jesus (pbuh) are entirely compatible with Islam.

A WAVE OF CONVERSIONS

If you are a Christian, the idea that Jesus (pbuh) practiced the same faith that today’s news broadcasts hold responsible for so many of the world’s problems may seem far-fetched to you. It seemed far-fetched to me when I first encountered it, before I consulted the Gospels closely. Yet you should know that many, many contemporary Christians have reached life-changing personal conclusions about the Gospel message and its relation to Islam.“There is compelling anecdotal evidence of a surge in conversions to
Islam since September 11, not just in Britain, but across Europe and
America. One Dutch Islamic centre claims a tenfold increase, while the
New Muslims Project, based in Leicester and run by a former Irish
Roman Catholic housewife, reports a steady stream of new converts.”
(London Times, January 7, 2002.)

MAINSTREAM MEDIA IGNORES US

The Western news media only rarely shares the stories of these individual converts to Islam with the world at large, but I strongly suspect that most of these people — if they are like me — found
themselves, at the end of the day, concerned about the consequences of calling Jesus (pbuh) “Lord” without obeying his instructions … found themselves far more concerned about that, in fact, than about any media coverage of geopolitical issues.

This kind of concern causes people to change their lives.

THE CHALLENGE OF Q

Speaking personally, I changed my own life because I could not ignore the implications of the authentic, stand-alone Gospel passages that today’s most accomplished (non-Muslim!) scholars believe to be of the earliest date available.

These sayings, which form a reconstructed text known as Q, can all be found in the New Testament. They are almost certainly the closest we will ever be able to come to an authentic oral tradition reflecting the actual sayings of Jesus (pbuh).

Q CONFIRMS ISLAM

If you are new to Q, you should know what the best New Testament scholars now know, namely that today’s scholarship identifies certain Gospel passages as not only instructive, but historically more relevant than other passages. This scholarship has led to some fascinating discussions among scholars (and a comparatively few lay readers).

I believe the Q verses tend to confirm Islam’s depiction of Jesus (pbuh) as a human Prophet with a Divine mandate essentially indistinguishable from that of Muhammad (pbuh).

A HUMAN PROPHET

I did not develop the theory of Q. It has been around for years. “Traditionalist” Christian clergy and theologians are generally hostile to it. They claim that students of Q are somehow eager to
diminish the status of Jesus (pbuh). Actually, we are eager to learn what he is most likely to have actually said.

Q represents a major challenge for contemporary Christianity, not least because it strongly suggests that Islam’s picture of Jesus (pbuh) is historically correct. The fact that Q essentially confirms Islam’s image of Jesus (pbuh) as a distinctly human Prophet has not, I think, been widely noticed by today’s Christians. And it must be. Because a careful review of the scriptures demonstrates that Jesus (pbuh) is in fact calling his people to Islam.

JESUS (PBUH) BROUGHT ME TO ISLAM!

I came to Islam, alhamdulillah, after three decades of restless dissatisfaction with conventionial Christianity. Although I’ve read a lot of conversion stories since I embraced Islam in March of 2003, I haven’t found many that cited the Gospels as a point of entry to the Holy Qur’an. This is how it was for me.

I was drawn to the Gospels at a young age — eleven — and I read them compulsively on my own, despite the fact that I did not live in a Christian household. I soon learned to keep religious matters to myself.

EARLY QUESTIONS

For most of my adolescence I studied the Christian scriptures on my own. I still have the red King James Bible I bought as a child; my own handwritten note on the front page proclaims June 26, 1974, as the date I accepted Jesus (pbuh) as my personal savior.

When I say I read the scriptures compulsively, I mean that I was drawn to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John like a magnet. There are plenty of notes and highlightings in that old Bible of mine in Psalms, in Ecclesiastes, in Proverbs — but most of the notes and underlinings are in the Gospels. But I sensed, even at an early age, that there were some internal problems with the texts I loved so dearly.

WHO TAMPERED WITH THE GOSPELS?

I can clearly remember reading the account in the 22nd chapter of Luke where Jesus (pbuh) withdrew from the disciples, prayed, and returned to find them fast asleep. Who, I wondered, could have possibly observed him praying … and then related the incident so that it eventually could be included in the Gospel of Luke? There’s another passage in the Gospels where Jesus (pbuh) supposedly includes the words “let him who reads understand” in one of his spoken discourses, which seemed odd to me. And there was yet another spot where the New Testament author assured first-century Christians that their generation would see the second coming of the Messiah — a passage I found difficult to square with modern Christian doctrine. These and other queries about the New Testament arose while I was still quite young, certainly before I was fifteen. Had someone manipulated the Gospels? If so, who? And why?

I “filed” my questions for later, and decided that the real problem was that I was not part of a vigorous Christian faith community.

CATHOLIC

At eighteen, I headed East for college and entered the Roman Catholic Church. I asked the campus priest — a sweet and (by his lights) pious man — about some of the Gospel material that had given me trouble, but he became uncomfortable and changed the subject. On another occasion, I remember telling him that I was focusing closely on the Gospel of John because that Gospel was (as I thought then) a first-person account of the
events in question.

Again, he stammered and changed the subject and did not want to discuss the merits of one Gospel over another; he simply insisted that all four were important and that I should study all of them. This was a telling conversation, and a fateful one, as it turned out.

CHRISTIANITY? OR PAULISM?

Now, this is not my life story, but rather my reversion account, so I’m going to fast-forward over a lot of important events. I kept reading and rereading the Bible. I was drawn, as ever, to the sayings about the lamp and the eye, the Prodigal Son, the Beatitudes, the importance of prayer, and so many others — but I had steadily more serious intellectual problems with the surrounding “architecture” of the New Testament, particularly with the Apostle Paul. The fact that Paul never seemed to build a theological argument around anything that Jesus (pbuh) actually said was a big, big problem for me.

I became deeply disenchanted with the Catholic Church, in part because of a truly terrible priest who gave very little attention to the spiritual needs of his community. I later learned that he had been covering up for a child abuser!

PROTESTANT

I found it necessary to immerse myself in a faith community. I joined, and became active in, the local Protestant denomination, a Congregational Church.

So I led Sunday School classes for children, and briefly taught a Gospel class on the Parables for the adults. In the Sunday School classes for the kids I stayed right with the curriculum I had been given; but in the adult class, I tried to challenge the participants to confront certain parables directly, without filtering everything through the Apostle Paul. We had interesting discussions, but I sensed some resistance, and I didn’t try to teach an adult class again.

By this point, I had become deeply affected by the apparent intersection of the Christian mystic tradition and that of the Sufis and the Zen Buddhists. And I had even written on such matters. But there seemed to be no one at my church who shared my zeal for these issues.

FOCUSING ON THE GOSPEL SAYINGS

In particular, I was interested in the research being done that indicated that the oldest strata of the Gospels reflected an extremely early oral source known as Q, and that each of the individual sayings of Jesus (pbuh) needed to be evaluated on its own merits, and not as part of the narrative material that surrounded it.

This is because that narrrative material was added many years later.

AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT?

In fact, the more I researched this subject, the more I found myself thinking of that conversation about the Gospel of John with my priest.I realized that what he had been unwilling or unable to tell me was that the author(s) of the Gospel of John had been lying. This was manifestly not an eyewitness account, though it claimed to be.

I was in a strange situation. I was certainly enjoying the fellowship of the Christians at my church, who were all committed and prayerful people. Being part of a religious community was important to me. Yet I had deep intellectual misgivings about the supposed historicity of the Gospel narratives. What’s more, I was, increasingly, getting a different message from the Gospel sayings of Jesus (pbuh) than that which my fellow Christians were apparently getting.

WRESTLING WITH THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY

The more I looked at these sayings, the more impossible it became for me to reconcile the notion of the Trinity with that which seemed most authentic to me in the Gospels. I found myself face-to-face with some very difficult questions.

Where in the Gospels did Jesus use the word “Trinity”? If Jesus (pbuh) was God, as the doctrine of the Trinity claims, why did he worship God? AND — if Jesus (pbuh) was God, why in the world would he say something like the following?

“Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God.” (Mark 10:18)

Did he somehow forget that he himself was God when he said this? (A side note — I had a discussion with a woman who assured me that this passage was not really in the Gospels, and who refused to believe that it appeared there until I gave her the chapter and verse number and she looked it up for herself!)

THE HOLY QUR’AN

In November of 2002, I began to read a translation of the Qur’an.

I had never read an English translation of the entire text of the Qur’an before. I had only read summaries of the Qur’an written by non-Muslims.(And very misleading summaries at that.)

Words do not adequately describe the extraordinary effect that this book had on me. Suffice to say that the very same magnetism that had drawn me to the Gospels at the age of eleven was present in a new and deeply imperative form. This book was telling me, just as I could tell Jesus (pbuh) had been telling me, about matters of ultimate concern.

AUTHORITATIVE GUIDANCE

The Qur’an was offering authoritative guidance and compelling responses to the questions I had been asking for years about the Gospels.

“It is not (possible) for any human being to whom God has given the Book and Wisdom and Prophethood to say to the people: ‘Be my worshippers rather than God’s.’ On the contrary, (he would say): ‘Be devoted worshippers of your Lord, because you are teaching the Book, and you are studying it.’ Nor would he order you to take angels and Prophets for lords. Would he order you to disbelieve after you have submitted to God’s will?” (Qur’an 3:79-80)

The Qur’an drew me to its message because it so powerfully confirmed the sayings of Jesus (pbuh) that I felt in my heart had to be authentic. Something had been changed in the Gospels, and that something, I knew in my heart, had been left intact in the text of the Qur’an.

STARTLING PARALLELS

Below, you will find just a few examples of the parallels that made my heart pliant to the worship of Allah (swt). Each Gospel verse comes from the reconstructed text known as Q — a text that today’s scholars believe represents the earliest surviving strata of the teachings of the Messiah. Note how close this material is to the Qur’anic message.

Q AGREES WITH QUR’AN ON TAWHEED (MONOTHEISM)

In Q, Jesus (pbuh) endorses, in no uncertain terms, a rigorous monotheism.

“Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.’ (Luke 4:8)

Compare:

“Children of Adam, did We not command you not to worship Satan? He was your sworn enemy. Did We not command you to worship Me, and tell you that this is the straight path?” (Holy Qur’an 36:60-61)

Q AGREES WITH QUR’AN ON AQABA (THE UPHILL PATH)

Q identifies a Right Path that is often difficult, a path that unbelievers will choose not to follow.

“Enter ye in through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in there. Narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14)

Compare:

The worldly life is made to seem attractive to the disbelievers who scoff at the faithful, but the pious, in the life hereafter, will have a position far above them.” (Holy Qur’an 2:212)

“Would that you knew what the uphill path is! It is the setting free of a slave or, in a day of famine, the feeding of an orphaned relative and a downtrodden destitute person, (so that he would join) the believers who cooperate with others in patience and kindness.” (Holy Qur’an 90:12-17)

Q AGREES WITH QUR’AN ON TAQWA (FEAR OF GOD)

Q warns us to fear only the judgment of God.

“And I say unto you, my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear. Fear Him, which after He hath killed, hath the power to cast into Hell. Yea, I say unto you, fear Him!” (Luke 12:4-5)

Compare:

“To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. God’s retribution is severe. Should you then have fear of anyone other than God?” (Holy Qur’an 16:52)

Q AGREES WITH QUR’AN ON THE TRAPS OF DUNYA (EARTHLY LIFE)

In Q, Jesus (pbuh) warns humanity plainly that earthly advantages and pleasures should not be the goal of our lives:

“Woe unto you that are rich! For you have received your consolation. Woe unto you who are full! You shall be hungry. Woe unto you who laugh now! You shall weep and mourn.” (Luke 6:24)

Compare:

The desire to have increase of worldly gains has preoccupied you so much (that you have neglected the obligation of remembering God) — until you come to your graves! You shall know. You shall certainly know (about the consequences of your deeds.) You will certainly have the knowledge of your deeds beyond all doubt. You will be shown hell, and you will see it with your own eyes. Then, on that day, you shall be questioned about
the bounties (of God).” (102:1-8)

Q WARNS MANKIND NOT TO ASSUME ENTRY TO HEAVEN IS ASSURED!

Consider also the following chilling words from the Messiah, which should (!) make every heart humble, choke off all forms of arrogance in spiritual matters, and quiet every attack upon a fellow monotheist:

“And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But those who believe they own the kingdom of heaven shall be cast out into the outer darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing
of teeth.” (Matthew 8:11-12)

Obviously, this is an important teaching for all people of good will to bear in mind … and to etch upon the memory.

Q SAYS NOTHING OF CRUCIFIXION OR SACRIFICE!

You have seen how the historically earliest verses — the Q verses –parallel the major teachings of the Qur’an. Also worthy of mention is the fact that Q teaches nothing whatsoever of the Crucifixion, of the sacrificial nature of the mission of Jesus (pbuh) … an intriguing
omission indeed!

We are left then with an amazing early Gospel — a Gospel that (non-Muslim) scholars believe is historically closest to Jesus (pbuh) — a Gospel that has the following characteristics:

Agreement with the Qur’an’s uncompromising message of God’s Oneness.

Agreement with the Qur’an’s message of an afterlife of salvation or
hellfire … based on our earthly deeds.

Agreement with the Qur’an’s warning not to be misled by dunya — the
attractions and pleasures of worldly life. AND …

A complete ABSENCE of any reference to Christ’s resurrection or sacrifice for humanity!

This is the Gospel that today’s most advanced non-Muslim scholars have identified for us … and this Gospel is pointing us, if only we will listen to it, in precisely the same direction as the Qur’an!

MY DEAR CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS — I BEG YOU TO ASK YOURSELVES PRAYERFULLY, TO SEEK ALMIGHTY GOD’S GUIDANCE ON THIS QUESTION: CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE A COINCIDENCE?

SHARE THE WORD!

I became a Muslim on March 20, 2003. It became obvious to me that I had to share this message with as many thoughtful Christians as I could. I wrote a book of Dawah to share with open-minded students of the Gospels. There are many, many more parallels between the oldest words of Jesus (pbuh) and the Holy Qur’an; I discuss them at length in my book BEYOND MERE CHRISTIANITY (free e-book form) (or order the hardcover from Dar-us-Salaam publishers).

Please share this book’s message with the Christians in your life!

I wrote BEYOND MERE CHRISTIANITY to help people reach an informed conclusion about the true nature of the mission of Jesus (pbuh). Because media coverage of Islam in the West is so unremittingly hostile, I decided to rely primarily on the words of Jesus (pbuh), appealing only rarely to the Holy Qur’an. To the degree that they realize that the oldest Gospel verses accurately mirror the teachings of Islam, thoughtful Christians may, Godwilling, become more curious about the teachings of the Qur’an.

Reasonable people may disagree on the age and authenticity of the Q sayings of Jesus (pbuh) that I appeal to in BEYOND MERE CHRISTIANITY. All followers of Jesus (pbuh) must agree, though, that the words in Q cited in this book also appear in the Gospels found in every Bible and are binding on every Christian. For those who insist on the importance of following Jesus (pbuh), surely that is enough.

What you have read here is a brief summary of why I believe Jesus (pbuh) was a Muslim, and why that mattered to me, after 9/11, far more than any perversion of religion by extremists in the media masquerading as journalists — or extremists in the mosques masquerading as Muslims.

To learn more about the recent New Testament scholarly breakthroughs that support this point, please read my book.

I would love to hear from you. I hope you will e-mail me at yusuf.toropov@gmail.com.

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38 Responses to “Jesus, peace be upon him, was a Muslim”


  1. 1 salahudin
    September 14, 2007 at 5:20 pm

    he.. was a jew.

  2. 2 samy
    September 14, 2007 at 5:57 pm

    Jews believe that Jesus was a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Galilee, and killed in Jerusalem. Like other Jews in his day, Jesus spoke and wrote the Aramaic language. His own Aramaic name was Yeshua.

    A story about a man named Yeshu can be found in the Talmud. There is debate whether this Yeshu in the Talmud is the same Jesus who later became a Christian divinity.

    Christians believe According to the New Testament and the Christian church, Jesus is divine, the son of God, the Messiah.

    Muslims believe According to the Qur’an, Jesus was one of God’s most beloved messengers and the Messiah , he was sent to guide the Children of Israel ( The Jews).
    The Qur’an tells of his miraculous birth to Mary , cites the miracles he performed by God’s permission. Also Qur’an states that Jesus was not the son of god and he was not killed nor crucified.

    The teachings of Jesus to the Jews is the same as the teachings of the Qur’an .

  3. 3 salahudin
    September 14, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    christians also believe he was a jew… and muslims do so too.

    you on the other hand, seem to echo the historically inaccurate traditional assertion that he was a muslim.

  4. 4 samy
    September 14, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    muslims believe the following

    وَقَالُواْ كُونُواْ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَى تَهْتَدُواْ قُلْ بَلْ مِلَّةَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ حَنِيفًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

    And they say, ‘be Jews or Christians, and you shall be guided.’ Say, ‘no, but the creed of Abraham, the devout; and he was not of the idolaters.’

    2:136

    قُولُواْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

    Say, ‘we believe in God, and that which has been sent down to us, and that which was sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and that which was given to the Prophets from their Lord; we make no division between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (Muslims) .__

    2:137

    فَإِنْ آمَنُواْ بِمِثْلِ مَا آمَنتُم بِهِ فَقَدِ اهْتَدَواْ وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنَّمَا هُمْ فِي شِقَاقٍ فَسَيَكْفِيكَهُمُ اللّهُ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ

    Then if they believe in the like of that you believe, they are guided; but if they turn away, they are only insisting to remain separate; and God shall suffice thee against them; and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.’ __

    2:138

    صِبْغَةَ اللّهِ وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ مِنَ اللّهِ صِبْغَةً وَنَحْنُ لَهُ عَابِدونَ

    ‘That is the baptism of God, and who could be better in baptizing than God, and Him we serve.’

    2:139

    قُلْ أَتُحَآجُّونَنَا فِي اللّهِ وَهُوَ رَبُّنَا وَرَبُّكُمْ وَلَنَا أَعْمَالُنَا وَلَكُمْ أَعْمَالُكُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُخْلِصُونَ

    Say, ‘do you dispute with us concerning God, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and for us are our deeds and for you are your deeds, and we are sincerely His?’

    2:140

    أَمْ تَقُولُونَ إِنَّ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَـقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأسْبَاطَ كَانُواْ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَى قُلْ أَأَنتُمْ أَعْلَمُ أَمِ اللّهُ وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّن كَتَمَ شَهَادَةً عِندَهُ مِنَ اللّهِ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ

    Or do you say, ‘Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians?’ Say. ‘do you know better or God? And who does greater wrong than he who conceals a testimony that he has from God; and God is not heedless of the things you do.’

    2:141

  5. 5 salahudin
    September 14, 2007 at 6:59 pm

    annnd… you think you can define all muslims with a few quotes? that too from the fake quran? lol.

  6. 6 samy
    September 14, 2007 at 7:09 pm

    do you understand arabic ?

  7. 7 samy
    September 14, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    im sure that i can define muslims with a few quotes from the quran.

  8. 8 brotherj
    September 14, 2007 at 7:42 pm

    Interesting article brother, I had only a chance to skim it but in sha’ Allah when I have more time I’ll try reading it more in depth. It seems we may come from a similar background.

    Don’t worry too much about debating with an apostate atheist… If someone denies the truth of the Qur’an they are not Muslim, so it’s pretty mind boggling that even a person as misguided as that could make the kind of statement that the Qur’an does not define Muslims.

    Ramadan Mubarak 😀

  9. 9 thelaymansjournal
    September 14, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    I have read, been told, or otherwise heard that the seeds of Islam were sown as a result of trinitarian doctrine. It was an attempt to retain the original doctrines of the church. If this is true, then Jesus could very well be considered a Muslim. Al Islam means the surrender to the one true God correct? This too would place Christ as a Muslim. However, since the inception of Islam one can say that the interpretation of the Quran has been altered just as with the Gospel’s years ago. I have yet to read the Quran in full, but I have read a good deal of it. Being a Christian I have read some statements in the Quran that I find confusing, but then again I have in the Bible as well. Overall it seems that the Quran is more or less a continuation of the Bible which confirms the Gospels with exception to a few passages that I simply don’t understand.
    I believe that the misunderstandings between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam could easily be resolved if folks would lose their self-righteous nature and actually love one another as the scriptures say to. It is fairly obvious to me that all three share historical roots and beliefs if you remove the misinterpretations.

  10. 10 sukran
    September 14, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    Ramadan mubarak!

    I think first of all we have to make clear that which ‘muslim’ is being mentioned in the article. Apparantly, the word ‘muslim’ is being used in the article has much broader and different meaning that is showed by us, as Muslims in this age. Since ‘muslim’ means submitter, of course all the prophets were muslims, most sincere submitters. When we compare Jesus’ sincerety as a muslim with today’s Muslims’ level of submission, no doubt Jesus was/is true muslim.

    Apostates and atheists may have an important mission in one’s belief system, since they can be the voice of reality, common sense and sincerety, again. 🙂

  11. September 14, 2007 at 9:40 pm

    “I believe that the misunderstandings between Christianity, Judaism, and Islam could easily be resolved if folks would lose their self-righteous nature and actually love one another as the scriptures say to.”

    thelaymansjournal

    i believe that too

    Ramadan karem 😉

  12. 12 afghanjohn
    September 15, 2007 at 3:44 am

    Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58)

  13. 13 koranist
    September 15, 2007 at 6:28 am

    Islam is the Torah and Gospel and the Koran. The Koran say:

    Let the People of the Gospel judge by what God hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. (5,47)

    But why do they come to thee for decision, when they have (their own) Law before them?- Therein is the (plain) command of God; yet even after that, they would turn away. For they are not (really) people of faith. (Surah 5, Maida, verse 43)

    And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that) was before thee… (Surah 10, Jonah, verse 94)

    The Koran has never condemned the Torah and Gospel and has never said it was corrupted as Sunnis and other sects believe. This is because they rely on hadiths and not Koran. The koran condemned the Talmud, the hadiths of the Jews that they believe is the”oral” tradition of Moses.

    As far as the Gospel, the koran condemned those Priests who hide things in the gospel and take things out of context. There is nothing wrong in the Goespel, its just not being followed. The Koran say:

    5.14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will God show them what it is they have done.

    There is nothing about corrupted. For more please visit:

    http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15323.0

  14. 14 brotherj
    September 15, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    The modern day Bible is not the Injeel of ^Isa ^alayhis salaam, even the Christians don’t consider their book to be something sent to Jesus directly. Rather they believe that the men who wrote it (who are explicitly known, the books are named after them in many cases) are prophets whose works are the word of God. Every Muslim is obligated to know and believe that there are no Prophets between ^Isa and Muhammad, salallahu ^alayhim wa sallam. It is invalid to say that what the Christians call the Bible is the Injeel that was revealed to Prophet ^Isa.

    All of the Prophets were Muslim, they did not differ in the core message they relayed from Allah. Some laws changed by Allah’s Will from Messenger to Messenger, but none of the Prophets ever claimed that Allah would have a son, or that a Prophet would commit major sins or blasphemy, or that only one race of people would be saved, or that usury is permissible when one is dealing with non-believers, or that the Torah was the last law to mankind, or many other matters which the Christians and Jews claim. If a Muslim claimed any of things, we would tell him he is a blasphemer. None of the Prophets ever committed blasphemy.

    Imam al-Bukhariyy related that Prophet Muhammad , sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, said what means: “The prophets are like brothers from the same father with different mothers. Their Religion is one, although their Shari^ahs (rules of the Religion) differed. I am the most deserving of ^Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary). There was no other prophet between us.”

    For more information about the corruption of the Bible, which is a historically known fact, please read: http://brotherj.wordpress.com/files/2007/09/misquotingjesus.doc

  15. September 15, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    According to ‘Matthew’ Jesus was sent to the Jews:

    And Jesus went away from there and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon. And behold a Canaanite woman from the region came out and cried, ‘Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon.’ But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, ‘Send her away, for she is crying after us’. He answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.’ But she came and knelt before him, saying ‘Lord, help me.’ And he answered, ‘It is not fair to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.’ She said, ‘Yes, Lord, yet even dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.’ Then Jesus answered her, ‘O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.’ And her daughter was healed instantly. (Matthew: 15:21-28)

    These twelve [disciples] Jesus sent out, charging them, ‘Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. (Matthew 10:5,6)

    However, ‘Matthew’ appears to contradict himself when he goes on to say:

    And Jesus came and spoke to them, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations[…]

    (Here Matthew contradicts what he said earlier, that Jesus was sent for the lost sheep of Israel only)

    […]baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo I am with you always, to the close of the age.’ (Matthew 28:18-20)

  16. 17 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 2:38 am

    Funny, I was always under the impression that Jesus was a Jew 😀

  17. September 16, 2007 at 2:44 am

    he was a Jew who submitted himself to god (Muslim)
    he was a Muslim Jew 🙂

  18. 19 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 2:55 am

    AAAhhhh BrotherJ

    I don’t want to say your wrong… But your wrong. Christians do not think that those who wrote many of the books of the new testiment were prophets, they were apostles. Which is to say followers of Christ.

    So ah maybe ask a Christian if you really want to know the answer. I know of no Christian that considers the Apostles to be prophets any more than you consider those who knew and were around Mohammad and wrote about it are consider prophets.

    Who wrote the Hadith’s and Sunna?? Are they Prophets?? The men in the Bible that wrote about what Jesus said and did, wrote because they had first hand knowledge, not because it was “revealed” to them the way you normally consider a Prophet.

  19. 21 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 2:57 am

    I’m a Christian that submits myself to God, does that make me a Jewish Christian Muslim?? We just created a new religion 😀 Peace and Love all around 😀

  20. September 16, 2007 at 3:14 am

    please come back soon…

    peace

  21. 23 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 3:34 am

    My dear Stefan,

    I have a blog about radical Islam, but I have no problem with Islam and I have posted several articles to deal with commenter’s who are bigots. I am not a Muslim, so I don’t try to interpret the Quran, I would just muck it up like the bigots do. I let Muslim friends answer them. Can you see where I’m going here??? 😀

    Dog was a term the Jews used to apply to Gentiles, because the Jews considered these pagan people no more likely than dogs to recieve God’s blessing. But the woman proved herself and thus received what she was looking for.

    If you read Romans chapter 11:13-24 you will see that the Gentile was grafted in. In other words we become like the Jews. We receive what was sent for the Jews. 😀

  22. 24 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 3:39 am

    It was salahudin that showed me your website, he helps out dealing with jerks on my blog. Since I talk to Muslims everyday he wanted me to see your entry on Islamic Etiquette.

  23. 25 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 3:40 am

    Speaking of…oops, and peace to you too sir. Happy Ramadan

  24. 26 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 3:51 am

    If your interested, come check mine out. But don’t feel obligated in any way. 😀 Have a great day and God bless you and yours.

    http://eaglespearlsofwisdom.wordpress.com/

  25. September 16, 2007 at 5:49 am

    well… actually i had the chance to live for more than 4 yrs. with the christians… i came to kbnow a lot abt them.. one of mi frndz said that “what we mean by the quote taht jesus si the son of God is that God loves him a lot”.. so i m really confused abt u guys’ religion…. u have a lot of views..i m not saying that muslims dont have but…. actually wat i m saying is that u cant say that islam is not rite by just looking at the current condithion.. look thru the religion urslf and u will know the truth.. ok Allah Hafiz and “HAPPY RAMADAN”

  26. 28 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Did I say that Islam wasn’t right? I have no clue if it is or not. I said the comment above wasn’t right. I don’t have all the answers and would NEVER pretend to have them. I would just like us ALL to live like Jesus taught, in peace.

    We will know soon enough who is right. There are a multitude of views by different Christians, different Muslims, Hindu’s, Buddhist, Atheists, and on and on it goes. Above all, I think that we were created to commune with God. Which sect of which religion is right, I don’t care. If we would all just behave the way we SHOULD, then life will be much better.

    Does anyone really believe that God wants us fighting over who is right?? Do you think that God wants us fighting at all??

    Should we fight in His name…”I kill you in the name of the Father”…how stupid is that?????

    salahudin, is an atheist, but he has the right idea when he talks about how we should behave. I don’t believe as he does as I believe in God. But just for one second, consider what he has said about living in peace and love, in doing the right thing. If he is right and we are all wrong, why waste the few years we have arguing, killing and hating in the name of God.

    COMMON SENSE PEOPLE!! I wish I could stand on a mountain top and yell that so all the world could hear me.

    Does what I have said here make sense to you?? Do you agree with it??

    Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to say my piece. God Bless You and Yours and Peace and Love all Around 😀

  27. 29 salahudin
    September 16, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    how can i not love a guy like eagle… 🙂

    we can all learn a lot from him.

  28. 30 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    Thanks Salahudin

  29. September 16, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Dear Eagle,

    If you are sincere in your words, you are certainly making the point and I agree with you, however, I still feel sorry for those who refuse to admit that they are beloved and essential part of the Oneness. Perhaps, it is only my own selfishness.

    Jesus, peace be upon him, was a true submitter, by the way, we cannot change this reality…:)

  30. 32 Eagle
    September 16, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Sukran,

    I try and be sincere in everything I do, that is to say, HONEST. It is sad that some can not feel the love of God. But that is also why it’s called “faith”. But none of us can say who and what is right. We can only do what we feel is right in our own heart. It’s not our place to judge someone else. Regardless of what they believe. If you want to teach, do so by example.

    We should all remember to treat each other the way that we would like to be treated.

  31. September 17, 2007 at 5:18 am

    Why not? Wonderful example…

  32. 36 Sabbir H
    September 21, 2007 at 11:13 am

    ASalamalaikum!Its very interesting topic something which ive been thinkingabout lot frm my school days and to be be honest im confesing in this holy month that God always wanted us to know him better and to know what he has stored for us in life and hereafter .Stefan your research is absolutely correct as far as these three religions are concerened .In fact even there are otherfaiths having similar ideas of heaven and hell and the actions will be judged and so on.Only thing we need to do is to shed our arrogance and pave way for broader understanding of GOD as one almighty supreme power who is controlling everything,from seen to unseen from heavens to underground seas.I too agree with sukhran that all the prophets were Muslim only that is to say they submitted whole heartily to ONE GOD.most of the differences we are keeping because we all want to connect with our own nativity and language ALLAH is not different from GOD its only in ARABIC.

  33. 37 sukran
    September 22, 2007 at 3:27 am

    Dear Sabbir H,

    Thank you for your contribution.

    God and Allah may have same definition but, historically they carry different meanings, description and characteristic.

    Personally, I never feel comfortable using the word God instead of Allah. One can say it is only a habit, however, let’s think about from this view: God is an English word. Words are rooted in cultural, religious, folkloric, historical, etc. specifications of the language they belong. In English the word ‘God’ has different charasteristics than the word ‘Allah’ described in Qur’an. God may have ‘son’ for example, while Allah does not. God’s authority and oneness splitted in three, etc.

    It is true that sometimes, some words CANNOT TRANSLATE in another language since that LANGUAGE DOES NOT HAVE THE WORD THAT CARRY EXACTLY THE SAME MEANING AND DESCRIPTION. I consider the word ‘ALLAH’ the same.

    Peace,

  34. 38 sukran
    September 22, 2007 at 3:41 am

    More importantly, God is indicated as ‘He’ which is a masculine pronouns used for ‘creatures’. Since Allah is ‘Creator’ and cannot be described with any of the characteristics belong to humanbeing, we cannot mention Allah as ‘He’.


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