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19 Questions for Muslim Scholars

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By Edip Yuksel


These 19 Questions were presented to “Muslim Scholars” at an international conference in Chicago, Illinois, USA, October 7-8,1989. The title of the conference was “World Conference on Finality of the Prophethood & Significance of Hadith”.

CONTENTS

  • Which Hadith do you believe besides the Quran?

  • Do this verses require a mishmash of narrations?

     

  • How reliable is your most authentic hadith?

     

  • Why are you so belligerent?

     

  • Why do you sanctify those who . . . ?

     

  • When did a hungry goat eat the “stoning verse”?

     

  • Why do you prohibit gold and silk for men?

     

  • Why do you prohibit pictures, music, and chess?

     

  • Which animals are lawful?

     

  • Why do you insult and oppress women?

     

  • Why do you force women to cover their hair?

     

  • Why do you make distinction among messengers?

     

  • Was Muhammad illiterate?

     

  • Who is the messenger mentioned in 3:81?

     

  • Will Jesus come back?

     

  • What is the crucial age?

     

  • How do you pronounce “Shahadah”?

     

  • What About Religious practices?

  • Can you see the mathematical miracle?


1) Which Hadith Do You Believe Besides The Quran? (45:6)

  • “The Prophet never urinated in standing position” (Hanbel 6/136,192,213).
  • “The prophet urinated in standing position” (Bukhary 4/60,62).
  • “A group from the Ureyneh and Uqayleh tribes came to the prophet and the prophet advised them to drink urine of camels. Later on, when they killed the prophet’s shepherd, the prophet seized them, gouged out their eyes, cut their hands and legs, and left them thirsty in the desert” (Bukhary 56/152, Hanbel 3/107,163).
  • “Moses was scared by the angel of death, thus Moses slapped him and blinded one of his eyes”.
  • “I am the most honorable messenger, on the day of the judgment only I will think of my people” (Bukhary 97/36).
    “Do not make any distinction among the messengers; I am not even better than Jonah” (Bukhary 65/4,5; Hanbel 1/205,242,440).
  • “Bad luck is in the woman, the horse, and the home” (Bukhary 76/53).
    “If a monkey, a black dog or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified.” (Bukhary 8/102; Hanbel 4/86).
  • “The prophet gave permission to kill children and women in war” (Bukhari, Jihad/146; Ebu Davud 113).
  • “The earth is carried on a giant bull; when it shakes its head an earthquake occurs” (Ibni Kathir 2/29; 50/1).
  • “Leaders have to be from the Quraish tribe” (Bukhary 3/129,183; 4/121; 86/31).
  • “You shall kill all black dogs; because they are devils” (Hanbel 4/85; 5/54).
  • “God is the time” (Muwatta 56/3).
  • “To prove His identity, God opened his legs and showed the prophet His thigh.” (Bukhary 97/24, 10/129 and the comment on the Sura 68.)
  • “The parchment that the verse about stoning to death for adultery was written on was eaten and abrogated by a goat.” (Ibni Majah 36/1944; Ibni Hanbal 3/61; 5/131,132,183; 6/269).
  • “A tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterous monkey and stoned it to death, and I helped them” (Bukhary 63/27).
  • “When the prophet died his armor had been pawned to a Jew for several pounds of barley.” (Bukhari 34/14,33,88; Hanbal 1/ 300; 6/42,160,230).
  • “The punishment for cutting the fingers of a woman is to pay her: 10 camels for one finger, 20 camels for two fingers, 30 camels for three fingers, and 20 (twenty) camels for four fingers” (Hanbel 2/182; Muvatta 43/11).
  • “The prophet had been bewitched by a Jew, and for several days he did not know what he was doing” (Bukhari 59/11; 76/47; Hanbel 6/57; 4/367).
  • “Muhammad possessed sexual power of 30 men” (Bukhary).
  • “Do not eat and drink with your left hand, because Satan eats and drinks with the left hand” (Hanbel 2/8,33).
  • “The prophet said:’Do not write anything from me except the Quran. Whoever wrote, must destroy it” (Muslim, Zuhd 72; Hanbel 3/12,21,39).
  • “The prophet ordered Amr Ibn As to write everything that he speaks” (Hanbel 2/162).
  • “Omar said: Quran is enough for us, do not write anything from the prophet” (Bukhary, Jihad 176, Gizya 6, Ilim 49, Marza 17, Megazi 83, Itisam 26; Muslim, Vasiyya 20,21,22).

(If you want to check the references presented above, please note that, after the name of each hadith collection the first number is the number of the book (chapter), and second number is the number of hadith. For instance, 152nd hadith in the 56th book of Bukhary is expressed as: Bukhary 56/152. In few references, however, we gave the name of the book (chapter), instead of its number, such as: Bukhary, Jihad 176).

These are only a minute sample of hadiths which Muslim scholars accept as their second religious source and they accuse the people who do not accept these teachings of being diverted from the truth. The above hadiths are their truth. Now let’s see what is the Quranic truth. Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but Quran

God revealed the Quran to Muhammad, His messenger and last prophet (27:6).
The only book that the messenger delivered to the world is the Quran (6:19).
The sole mission of the messenger is to deliver the message (16:35).
We must obey God’s messengers (3:31-32; 24:56). Anyone who disobeys God and His messenger is a disbeliever (72:23).
We have been commanded to follow the Quran alone (7:2-3; 17:46).
The Quran contains everything that we need for guidance (16:89).
God did not leave anything out of the Quran (6:38).
Wisdom (hikmah) is in God’s Quran; not necessarily in men’s hadith (17:39; 36:2).
Anything that is not commanded in the Quran, God left it up to our minds and intelligence to decide (5:101).
The Prophet Abraham was the founder of Islam and a good example for us (22:78; 2:135; 60:4).
Muhammad was the follower of Abraham (3:68; 16:123).
All religious practices; daily prayers, obligatory charity, fasting, and pilgrimage come through Abraham (21:73; 2:43,127-128; 2:183; 3:43; 19:31-59; 20:14).
We should not follow any hadith besides the Quran as the source of God’s religion (45:6).
There are those who use vain hadith to mislead people, without knowledge (31:6).
We do not need fabricated hadith, because the Quran is fully detailed (12:111).
The best hadith is the Quran (39:23).
The only sunnah (law) is God’s sunnah (33:38,62; 35:43).
Those who decree religious laws never authorized by God, and their followers, are idol worshipers (42:21).
The Quran is fully detailed, not vague (30:28; 41:3).
Quran has been explained and detailed by God Himself (11:1; 75:19).
God is the teacher of the Quran (55:1).
The Quran is easy to understand for believers; while it is impossible for idol worshipers (54:17,22,32,40; 17:46; 18:57).
The Prophet Muhammad, as a good example, did not accept and follow any other source besides the Quran (5:48-49; 6:114; 10:15).
God guaranteed the preservation of the Quran, not the hadith (15:9; 36:69; 38:87; 41:42; 43:4; 56:78).
God’s word is perfect (6:115). Those who follow conjecture are diverted (6:112).
God does not forget (19:64).
God does not run out of words (18:109).
Those who are not certain about the hereafter, are not satisfied with the Quran, they want to amend it with other books (10:15).
Those who divide their religion into sects are not followers of Muhammad (6:159).
The complaint of the messenger in the hereafter will be about the desertion of the Quran, not hadith (25:30).

The same mistake

The Jews had received the Torah which was complete and fully detailed like the Quran (6:154; 7:145). However, they were not satisfied with the word of God, and asked irrelevant questions. When they could not find answers to their petty questions, they started to invent. This satanic attitude led them to produce Mishnah (oral) and Gemarah (traditions).

Just like the Jews, the Muslims fabricated many lies and attributed them to the prophet. It is significant that they called their fabrications Hadith (oral) and Sunna (traditions), similar to Jews. The ignorant people asked many irrelevant and absurd questions which have been criticized in the Quran (2:67-70; 5:101). For instance, which hand shall we use while eating? Which side shall we lay while sleeping? Which foot shall we enter with into the bathroom? Which hand shall we start to wash for ablution? How long shall we grow our beards? Which sequence shall we follow when we cut our nails? Which vegetables are most holy? These foolish questions encouraged many hypocrites to fabricate hadiths and attribute them to the prophet (6:112-116). It is significant that the most reliable books, for instance that of Bukhary, was written at least two centuries after the prophet died.

The Quranic prophecy about ‘hadith’ and ‘sunnah’

The Quran prophesied that enemies of the prophet Muhammad would fabricate lies and attribute them to him(6:112-116). The Quran has named these fabrications “hadith” while naming the Quran “ahsanal hadith” (best hadith) (39:23). Obviously, God knew that the idol worshipers would call those fabrications “Hadith”. It is interesting that they did not call their lies “Aqwal = sayings”, “Akhbar = narrations”, “Hikam = Aphorisms”, or any other word from the rich Arabic language. They unwittingly termed their inventions “Hadith.”. This is a fulfillment of the Quranic projection:

“This is not a fabricated Hadith. It is a confirmation of previous scriptures, detailing everything, and a guide and mercy for those who believe.” (12:111)

They claim that the Quran is not fully detailed!! They thus reject God’s repeated assertion that the Quran is “complete, perfect, and fully detailed” (6:19,38,114), and justify the creation of 60 volumes of Hadith, and thousands of nonsensical teachings that are supposed to complete the Quran. By reflecting on 12:111 above, one can see God’s answer to those fabrications.

God informs us that we do not need fabricated hadith; that the Quran is all we need. Almighty God rejects both “Hadith” and the basic excuse for accepting it as a source of Islam. No excuse is accepted from the followers of hadith in this world, nor on the Day of Judgment. God asks them:

In which hadith, besides God and His revelations do they believe? (45:6)

They reply: “We believe in Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Hanbal, Kafi, Nahjul Balaga, and more besides God’s revelations.”

God challenges the idol worshipers:

“Let them produce a hadith’ like this, if they are truthful.” (52:34)

As a response, they slander the prophet in one of their holy hadith books (Abu Dawood): “The prophet, peace be upon him, said, ‘I was given the Quran and a hadith like it’.”

According to the Quran, there is only one valid sunna (law): God’s law (Sunnatullah) (33:38,62; 35:43; 40:85; 48:23).

Unlimited hadith books besides the Quran

In both Sunni and Shiah sects the exact number of accepted hadith books is not known. However, Sunnis generally agree on six hadith books which are called “Kutubi Sitteh” (Six Books). These are Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibni Majah, Nesaiy and Abu Dawud. Additionally, they respect Muwatta, Darimy and Ibn Hanbal. Muslim scholars in many cases preferred Bukhary to the Quran. So much so that Hanafi scholars claimed publicly that hadith can abrogate Quranic verses. For example, according to them, 2:180 and 4:24 have been invalidated by hadith. In fact, all other sects also do not accept the judgement of these verses but they are not so frank.

a) What is your opinion on the hadiths I presented in the beginning? How many of them are correct?

b) How many centuries after the prophet’s death was your most holy hadith book, Bukhary, written?

c) In how many correct hadiths do you believe?

d) If hadith is one of the most important sources of Islam, then why did not God preserve it like the Quran?

e) In which hadith do you believe besides words of God?

f) Why does not Bukhary narrate a single hadith through Abu Hanifah, but narrates from Marwan b. Hakam, a notorious murderer and drunkard who destroyed the original copy of the Quran?

g) Is the Quran perfect, clear, complete, and fully detailed?

h) Is the Quran easy or difficult to understand?

i) Why do you change the place of the word “alone” in 17:46: “… and when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion”?


2) Do These Verses Require Us To Follow a Mishmash of Narrations?

Distorting the meaning of the Quranic verses, taking them out of context, claiming that some verses abrogate others are some of the tactics used by the followers of Hadith and Sunna. Monarchistic theocratical kingdoms use the ulama to divert “Muslim” masses. The fabricated satanic teachings have transformed the religion of God into a mishmash liturgy and a ritual torture. Here, God willing, we will expose their true colors by evaluating some verses most often abused by them.

A good example has been set for you by the messenger of God (33:21).

The falsifiers have presented medieval Arab culture and traditions as good examples of the messenger. However, if you look at the context, the good example has been described as the messenger’s courage and his constant remembrance of God. They extended this good example to irrelevant individual or cultural behaviors. For instance, they sanctified the beard and turban, ignoring the fact that the Meccan idol worshipers, such as Abu Lahab and Walid b. Mugiyra also had long beards and wore turbans.

What is worse, the actions and words ascribed to prophet Muhammad have depicted him with a character that is far from exemplary. The Hadith books portrays the prophet as a phantasmagoric character with a multiple personality. That character is more fictitious than mythological gods and goddesses, such as Hermes, Pan, Poseidon and Aphrodite. He is a pendulous character, both bouncing up to deity, and down to the lowest degree. He is both wise and moron. He is sometimes more merciful than God and sometimes a cruel torturer. He is both perfect and criminal, humble and arrogant, chaste and sex maniac, trustworthy and cheater, illiterate and educator, rich and poor, a nepotist and a democratic leader, caring and a male chauvinist, a believer and a disbeliever, prohibiting Hadith and promoting Hadith. You can find numerous conflicting personalities presented as an exemplary figure. Choose whichever you like. This peculiar aspect of Hadith collection is well described by the prophetic verses of the Quran: “Shall we treat the Muslims (Submitters) like the criminals? What is wrong with your judgement? Do you have a book where you can find anything you wish?” (68:35-38).

Furthermore, a similar statement is made about Abraham: “A good example has been set for you by Abraham and those with him” (60:4, 6). If verse 33:21 requires Muhammad’s hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Abraham’s hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham? Obviously, the only reliable source for both examples is the Book of God, which narrates the relevant exemplary actions. It also warns us not to repeat the mistakes committed by Muhammad (33:37; 80: 1-10).

Obey God and His Messenger (4:59)

Obeying Bukhari, a narrator of lies, is not obeying the messenger. Obeying the messenger is obeying the complete, perfect and fully detailed Quran. Verse 25:73 describes the attitude of believers towards God’s revelations. But the followers of Hadith and Sunna are very good in ignoring them. They do not see 6:19, 7:3, and 50:45 which say that the only teaching delivered by God’s messenger was the Quran. They do not think that Muhammad practiced the Quran, and the Quran alone (5:48, 49). They do not hear Muhammad’s only complaint about his people (25:30). They do not understand that Muhammad disowns those who do not understand that the Quran is enough and fully detailed (6:114).

The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. God did not consult Muhammad about the ultimatum. Muhammad’s only mission was to deliver God’s message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God included the messenger in 9:1 is because he participated as deliverer of the ultimatum. Similarly, because people receive God’s message through messengers we are ordered to obey the messengers. We also know that the Quran is a permanent messenger (65:11), and the Quran is a reminder and deliverer of good news (41:4; 11:2).

Nor is he speaking out of personal desire. It is a divine inspiration (53:3,4).

Meccan idol worshipers claimed that Muhammad was the author of the Quran (25:5; 68:15). The beginning of Chapter 53 is about the revelation of the Quran. It states that “the Quran is from Him”. It is not Muhammad’s personal claim; it is a divine statement. Therefore, claiming that the pronoun “it” in the verse 53:4 refers to the words of Muhammad, not of God, is an obvious distortion. According to the above verse “it” is revelation, without exception. This can be valid only for the Quran. It is nonsense to claim that Muhammad’s daily conversation was entirely revelation. For example, God firmly criticizes Muhammad’s words to Zayd (33:37). Obviously, the criticism was not about revelation. The beginning phrase of Chapter 97 informs us about the revelation of the Quran: “We revealed it in the Night of Destiny”. The “it” in this verse is the same as the “it” in 53:4. . . . And we sent down to you this message, to proclaim (litubayyena) for the people everything that is sent down to them, perhaps they will reflect (16:44).

People who establish Hadith and Sunna as another source of religious teachings besides the Quran, opted the irrelevant meaning of the Arabic word “BYN”. The word “‘lituBaYyeNa” is a derivative of “BYN”, which is a multiple-meaning word. It means: 1) To reveal what is concealed. 2) To explain what is vague. The first meaning is the antonym of “hide”, the second is the antonym of “make vague”. God orders Muhammad to proclaim the revelation which is revealed to him personally. Indeed, this is the whole mission of the messengers (16:35). Prophets sometimes experience difficulty in proclaiming the revelation (33:37, 20:25). If the Quran is a profound Arabic book, if it is explained by God, and if it is simple to understand (5:15; 26:195; 11:1; 54:17; 55:1-2), then the prophet does not have an extra mission to explain it. Furthermore, the verse 75:19 does not leave any room for an extra human explanation. Thus, the word “litubayyena” of 16:44 is similar to the one in 3:187. Verse 3:187 tells us that the people who received the revelation should “proclaim the scripture to the people, and never conceal it.”

The Quran is simple to understand (54:11). Whoever opens his/her mind and heart as a monotheist and takes the time to study it, will understand it. This understanding will be enough for salvation. Beyond this, to understand the multi-meaning verses you do not need to be a messenger of God. If you have a good mind and have studied the Quran as a believer, that is, if you have a deep knowledge, then you will be able to understand the true meanings of multiple-meaning verses. The verse 3:7, which is about the multiple-meaning verses, points this fact in a multiple-meaning way (this is an interesting subject which warrants another article): “. . . No one knows their true meaning except God and those who possess knowledge. . .”

O you who believe, do not place your (opinion) above God and His messenger (49:1).

Followers of hadith and sunna claim that God is represented by the Quran, and the messenger is represented by his opinion on the Quran. Thus, they claim that the Quran is not enough for salvation. Some people may not utter this claim straightforwardly. They may even claim that the Quran is complete and enough for our guidance. However, further questioning will reveal that their quran is not “the Quran”. The Quran is the one that consists of 114 Chapters and 6346 verses. It is a mathematically coded book. However, their minds are confused, and their quran is contaminated with human speculations and limited by a snap-shot interpretation. They try to scare the believers by saying “you do not like the messenger”. The belief that God is represented by the Quran, and the messenger by his teaching is a satanic claim. There are several points to remember:

** Quran represents God and His messenger.

** Obeying the Quran is obeying God and the messenger.

** Quran never says: “Obey God and Moses,” or “Obey God and Muhammad.” But, Quran consistently states: “Obey God and the messenger.” This is because the word messenger (rasul) comes from the “message” (risala). The message is entirely from God; messengers cannot exist without the message.

** Messengers as humans make mistakes. Thus, when believers made a covenant with prophet Muhammad they promised to obey him conditionally, i.e., his righteous orders (60:12). Moreover, God specifically orders Muhammad to consult the believers around him (3:159). If nobody can object to the personal decision of the messenger, then consultation is meaningless. However, whenever the final decision is made, it should be followed.

** During their lifetimes, messengers are community leaders. In this regard messengers are not different than the believers who are in charge (4:59); both should be obeyed. But, this obedience is not absolute. It is open for consultation and discussion.

** The position of messengers are different during their lives; they are interactive teachers and curious students as well. We have the chance to ask them further questions, discuss issues, learn their intention, and even correct their mistakes. On the other hand, they have the opportunity to correct our misunderstandings. However, when they pass away their teaching becomes frozen and looses its advancing three-dimensional character. The frozen, snap-shot fragments of knowledge is a dangerous weapon in the hand of ignorant people to stop God’s teachings. They defend every plain error in the name of the messenger. They insult every sincere students of God’s revelation.

“Say, ‘I do not ask you for any wage. But, what I ask from each of you is to take care of the relatives'” (42:23).

This verse is mostly abused by Shiite Muslims. They claim that prophet Muhammad was ordered to ask help for HIS relatives. This distortion created a class of blood sucking people surviving on charity. Hundreds of thousands of people in Iran, Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries claim that they are descendents of prophet Muhammad (Sayyeed or Shareef) and they are entitled to obligatory financial help. They abuse the verse mentioned above to exploit people economically. However, the verse does not say “my relatives”. The context of the verse is plain enough to state that Muhammad does not need a wage from the believers and if they can help somebody they should help their own relatives. Indeed, helping the relatives is a divine command repeated in 2:83; 4:36; 8:41; 16:90.

The special status given to the descendents of Muhammad through Fatima and Ali has created a privileged and “sacred” religious class.

An analogy

The Quran broadcasts a very clear message. However, the problem is with our receivers. If our receiver does not hear the broadcast or cannot understand it well, then something is wrong with our receiver and we have to check it. If the signal is weak, we need to recharge our batteries, or reset our antennas. If we do not receive a clear message, we need to tune into the station, to the station of Quran alone, in order to get rid of the noises and interference from other sources. We may ask some help from knowledgeable people or experts for this task. If the receiver does not work at all, then we have to make a sincere effort to fix the broken parts. However, if we believe that the problem is in the broadcast, then nobody can help us. The divine broadcast can be heard in detail only by those who sincerely tune in, i.e., those who take it seriously and act accordingly.

The condition of our receiver and the antenna, the power of the battery, and the precision level of our tuning are very important in getting the divine message properly.

a) If the verse 33:21 requires Muhammad’s hadith, then why would not the verses 60:4,6 require Abraham’s hadith? Which books narrate hadiths from Abraham?

b) You try to justify your collections of hadiths by using 33:21. Ironically, your collections do not provide an exemplary character. How can you claim that an eye-gouger, a urine-prescriber, a sex maniac is a “good example”?

c) The Quran states “Obey God and the messenger.” How can you twist this commandment and make Bukhary, or Al-Kafy and many other story books as the second source of Islam? According to verse 4:59 we have to obey the people in charge too. Thus, does it mean that Islam is a co-authored religion by at least three sources?

d) The first verse of Chapter 9 states that an ultimatum is issued from God an His messenger. We know that the verses about the ultimatum are entirely from God. Muhammad was not the co-author of the ultimatum. Muhammad’s only mission was to deliver God’s message (16:35; 24:54). Thus, the reason that God includes the messenger in 9:1 is messenger’s participation as a deliverer of the ultimatum. Why don’t you apply this explanation to other verses where the word “messenger” is mentioned after God?

e) Why do you distort the meaning of 53:3,4 by taking it out of context?

f) By claiming that it is the mission of the messenger to explain the Quran, you contradict 16:35; 55:2; 75:19 and many other verses. In order to support your claim you opt a different meaning of “litubayyena” in 16:44. In fact, the word “litubayyena” of 16:44 is no different than the one in 3:187. This verse tells us that the people who received the revelation should “proclaim the scripture to people, and never conceal it.” How can you claim that the meaning of “litubayyena” in 16:44 is “to explain”, but not “to proclaim”?

g) You have created a privileged class out of descendents of the prophet Muhammad by misinterpreting 42:23. What are the Arabic equivalence of “the relatives” and “my relatives”? Which one is mentioned in that verse?


How Reliable Is Your Most Authentic Hadith?

It is the alleged final sermon (Khutba) of the Prophet (Khutbat Al-Wadaa’). This great and historic event is reported in many important books of hadith, including Muslim, Muwatta, Ibn Majah, Abu Dawud, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal. The big problem is: these books report three vastly different doctrines from this historic sermon which was witnessed by 100,000 witnesses (most hadiths were supposedly witnessed by 1 or 2 people). In fact, the main topic in that all-important sermon gives three contradicting commandments. Here is what the prophet allegedly said:

1) “I am leaving for you two things that you must uphold, the Quran and my Sunnah” (According to Muwatta 46/3).

2) “I am leaving for you the Quran and my relatives (Ahl Al- Bayt)” (According to Muslim 44/4, Nu 2408; Ibn Hanbal 4/366; Darimi 23/1, Nu 3319).

3) “I am leaving for you the Quran; you shall uphold it” (According to Muslim 15/19, Nu 1218; Ibn Majah 25/84, Nu 3074; Abu Dawud 11/56, Nu 1905).

As you see, the LAST words of the LAST sermon of the LAST prophet which had been witnessed by the greatest number of his friends, have been reported in three different versions.

a) What did the prophet leave for us according to your most authentic hadith? Which one of the three reports is correct?

b) What did the prophet leave for us according to the best hadith, i.e., the Quran? (6:19,38,114; 5:48-49; 12:111; 39:23).

c) How can we trust those hadith books which can change the most important words, though witnessed by thousands of people? Which hadith can we trust beside the Quran(45:6)?


Why Are You So Belligerent?

The Quran states frequently that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256; 10:99; 88:21,22). The Quran advocates perfect freedom of belief and expression (18:29). The basic law regulating relations with unbelievers is stated in 60:8,9. Apostates can not be killed unless they fight against the believers (4:90). However, according to hadith and sunnah, a person who leaves Islam should be killed.

The vicious laws that exist in hadith books altered Islam into a tyrannical religion. According to hadith and sunnah, if a muslim does not practice daily contact prayers (salat), he or she should be warned and if they still do not pray; they should be put in prison or killed. The perfect, complete, clear and fully detailed Quran (6:19,38,114,115,116; 11:1; 12:111; 54:17), nowhere tells us to punish those who do not obey this commandment. A careful study will show that all punishments decreed by God involve social and individual relations; not religious belief and practices. However, scholars produced myriad vicious laws and attributed them to God (6:21; 42:21). According to the Quran, violence an belligerence are signs of disbelief (22:72).

a) Do the laws that exist in Hadith books commanding of killing apostates conflict with the Quran?

b) The greatest sin is setting up idols besides God (4:116), and those who commit such a sin can not be forced to worship God alone (18:29). Daily prayers should be observed only for God (20:14). Is it not a fact that wherever such a tyrannical rule is practiced, hypocrisy, oppression and ignorance become widespread among the people?

c) The Quran mentions theft, slander, homicide, and other crimes and also decrees punishments for each of them. Why does it not command us to punish people who do not observe prayers, although prayers are mentioned 90 times in it?


Why Do You Sanctify Those Who Eliminated Chapters From, Or Added Chapters To The Quran?

According to the books of hadith, Abdullah Ibn Masood was one of the top companions of the prophet Muhammad. His hadith narrations are among Sunni Muslim’s most cherished sources of jurisprudence. Many hadith and narration books, including Bukhary and Ibn Hanbel, report that Ibn Masood had a personal copy of the Quran and he did not put the last two chapters in it. According to those books he was claiming that those two chapters do not belong in the Quran.

Apparently, another companion of the prophet, Ubayy Ibn Kaab, also had a different personal Quran. He added two chapters called “Sura Al-Hafd” and “Sura Al-Khal”, and claimed that these were from the Quran. (These “chapters” are still being recited by Hanafies in the “Salat el Witr”, after night prayers.

a) What is your opinion concerning books of hadith and Suyuty’s Al-Itqan which narrate this information? Are these books slandering the companions of the prophet? Why do you accept such books as your religious sources?

b) If those books that narrate the above claims are correct, then how can you rely on the hundreds of hadiths which are narrated by Ibn Masood and Ubayy Ibn Kaab?

c) Here is a man who eliminated two chapters from, and another man who added two chapters to the Quran without proof. Yet, you still consider them as your most authoritative sources of knowledge. Why do you not proclaim Ibn Masood and Ubayy Ibn Kaab “apostates”?


When Did A Hungry Goat Eat Your “Verse Of Stoning To Death”?

God states in His fully detailed book, the Quran, that the adulterer and adulteress should be punished by one hundred lashes. The profound verses of Quran do not make any distinction between married and single adulterers (24:1,2).

Whether those who commit adultery are married or unmarried, white or black, rich or poor, their punishment must be one hundred lashes if they are proven guilty by four eye witnesses (24:4). The only exceptions are slaves, whose punishment is half of the free (4:25). This is the law of God who does not run out of words (31:27), is the best law maker (5:50), never forgets (19:64), and has detailed the Quran (11:1). Whoever looks for other sources of law disobeys the messenger (6:114). Believers do not subscribe to any religious source other than God’s revelation (45:6).

Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them to the prophet and distorted God’s law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to change the punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. They adopted this law from the Jews and their idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116) claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear in 24:1-2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound and clear!!!

The satanic theory of abrogation in the Quran

By declaring the word of God to be vague and ambiguous, Sunni and Shiah scholars opened a satanic gate for every kind of abuse and distortion. Additionally, by distorting the meaning of 2:106, they claimed that many verses of the Quran had been abrogated (amended) by other verses or by hadith. By this “abrogation theory”, they amended every verse which they did not understand or which did not suit their interest or contradicted their hadith. But, like everything else, they disagreed on the number of abrogated verses; some of them abrogated 5 Quranic verses, some 20 verses and some 50 …

“The verse that has been abrogated by a goat”!

The Arab idol worshipers fabricated hadiths and claimed that prophet Muhammad stoned a couple (Maiz and Gamidiyye) to death. Since they realized that hadiths are not enough to abrogate the clear verses in chapter 24, they even fabricated a “verse” supporting stoning and attributed it to God. They tried to inject this satanic verse into Quran. When they failed, they fabricated foolish stories which only the people who are described in 10:100 believe. According to their story, the ‘stoning verse’ was recorded in Quran during the time of Muhammad; but just after his death, a goat entered Aisha’s house and ate the page on which that verse was inscribed. Thus, the stoning verse has been abrogated physically. This story can be found in Ibn Magah, Nikah, 36/1944 and Ibn Hanbal, 5/131,132,183; 6/269.

How can a verse of a perfect scripture, which was completed during Muhammad’s lifetime, be abrogated by a goat? As an answer to this question, Ibn Qutayba, a famous scholar, in his book entitled “Solving the Contradictions Among Hadiths” stated that “the goat is a holy animal”. And he asked a counter question: “Why not believe in God’s power? As He destroyed the people of Aad and Thamud, He is also able to destroy His revelations by using even a goat!”

“Omar was a hypocrite!!!”

The slanderers of God and the prophet supported their lies with other lies. They slandered Khalif Omar by attributing these words to him: “Because in the future some people will appear and deny the punishment of stoning, by claiming that they can not find it in the Quran, if I did not fear that people will say that Omar is adding to the Quran, I would add the stoning verse into the Quran!!” (Bukhary 93/21; Muslim, Hudud 1691; Tirmizi, Hudud 8/1431; Abu Dawud 41/1; Itkan 2/34). So, if Omar feared God, instead of people, the “stoning verse” would not have existed in all books of hadith as “the verse eaten by a goat”!

“The adulterer monkeys!”

The scholars of hadith and sunnah were not content with these stories; they also stated that “a tribe of monkeys arrested an adulterer monkey and stoned it to death” (Bukhari, 63/27). Those who slandered even monkeys, in order to set them up as an example of following hadith and sunnah, have been described by verses 2:65 & 7:179!

These professional liars also did not spare other believers. For instance, Abu Hanifa was persecuted and tortured in prison by Amawy and Abbasy religious officials due to his rejection of hadith and accepting the Quran alone. He was such a popular figure that following his death, those officials used his popularity for their decrees. Finally, they attributed a whole Sunni sect to him.

“Lie factories” and their managers

In the second Hijrah century, hundreds of thousands of hadiths were fabricated. Attributing lies to God and His messenger became fashionable. For example, Bukhary states that he selected his seven thousand narrations out of seven hundred thousand narrations. According to Bukhary’s own confession, 99% of the hadiths he collected were fake.

Muslim scholars were aware of the fact that none could understand a religion which had been distorted by narrations, stories, superstitions, conflicting instructions and cruel laws. Thus, they called and even forced people to follow them blindly, without reasoning and reflecting. They were, and are, always uneasy because of fear that, one day, reasonable people would remove their satanic veil and expose their ignorance. They do not realize that Quran condemns following anyone blindly (2:170; 5:50,104; 10:78, 100; 17:36; 26:74; 31:21; 43:22,23).

“Joint Stock Company Religion”

Our ancestors, just like the Jews and the Christians, invented massive religious concepts and wrote enormous religious books and accepted them as the foundation for their religion (23:52-56; 42:21). They changed the Religion of God into a joint stock religion established by God + messenger + family of the messenger + friends of the messenger + their generations + leaders of sects + scholars of sects….

After this information and criticism, let us ask our questions:

a) What is the punishment of adultery according to the Quran?

b) When did the goat eat the “verse of stoning to death” as is claimed by Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Hanbal ?

c) How was the verse eaten by the goat removed from the Quran after the prophet’s death?

d) The six famous books of hadith (kutubi sitta) claim that Omar wanted to put the “stoning verse” into the Quran; but he could not do this because of his fear of people. Don’t these books insult Omar as being a hypocrite?

e) This terrible punishment which contradicts 24:1,2 and 4:25, is mentioned throughout th e Quran as the idol worshiper’s practice (11:91; 19:46; 36:18; 18:20). Is not this a fact?

f) Do you claim that the “stoning verse” which has been removed from the Quran by a holy goat, is still valid in jurisprudence? And what is your proof that this “verse” was literally abrogated, yet is still legally valid?

g) Your “stoning verse” is narrated by all your holy books as “esheyhu wesheyhetu iza zanaya farcumuhuma elbettete….” Is this consistent with the Quranic prose? You all accept this so called verse concerning married adulterers. What Arabic words does the Quran use for married people? What does “esheyhu wesheyhetu” mean in Arabic? (11:72; 12:78; 28:23; 40:67). According to your literally abrogated but legally valid verse, can a young married adulterer be stoned to death? When is one considered old?

h) Let’s accept your terrible claim for awhile that some verses of the Quran have been abrogated. The verse 2:106, according to your misunderstanding states: “Whenever a verse is abrogated, God will substitute a better one or at least a similar one”. So, if the “stoning verse” has been abrogated as claimed; God must substitute a better one or a similar one. So, which verse has been substituted for the “goat eaten verse”? According to your abrogation theory, how many kinds of abrogations exist?

i) According to your sectarian belief, even abrogated verses remain in the Quran physically. Why has a verse about such an important issue, i.e., stoning to death, been removed from the Quran physically? Why has the small punishment remained in the Quran and the capital punishment been abrogated?

j) According to your own history, many believers had memorized the Quran by heart during the prophet’s time. When the goat ate your verse, what happened to the memorized versions?

k) Why do you slander animals, i.e., monkeys, by following Bukhary who narrates many foolish stories?

l) How many verses have been abrogated in the Quran? Do you agree on their numbers? Do you know these verses: 4:82; 15:90-99; 2:85 ?


Why Do You Prohibit Gold & Silk For Males?

The only source of God’s religion, Quran, does not prohibit gold and silk for males. On the other hand, it declares that nobody has the right to prohibit the nice things that God produces for His creatures (7:30-32). God decrees that these things are reserved exclusively for believers on the day of resurrection (18:31; 22:23; 35:33), and they are also lawful for them in this world.

a) Are not those who prohibit gold and silk for male believers addressed by 7:30-32 and 42:21?

b) What is your comment on the hadith which narrates that prophet Muhammad had granted permission for one of his companion to wear a golden ring?


Why Do You Prohibit Pictures, Music, and Chess?

The Quran as the fully detailed word of God does not prohibit drawing pictures, making artistic statues, playing music and chess. On the contrary, it states that there were statues in the mansion of Prophet Solomon (34:13). It also states that a discordant and out-of-tune voice is not good (31:19).

According to hadith, “The worst people in the hereafter will be the painters and the sculptors, because they imitated God’s creatures and for this reason they became idol worshipers. In the hereafter, God will ask them to give life to their pictures or statues. When they fail, God will put them in hell”. According to another hadith, “musical instruments with strings and reeds are satanic appliances”.

a) Why are pictures and statues unlawful, even if they are made only for artistic purposes?

b) The statues in the mansion of Solomon are the result of the biggest sin, according to the hadith, and this sin leads people into idol worship. How could a prophet of God commit such a sin? Why does God not criticize Solomon for the statues in his mansion?

c) Constructing airplanes is an imitation of one of God’s creatures i.e., birds. According to your books, constructing airplanes is a sin, isn’t it?

d) According to the hadith and sunnah, the traditional Arab’s musical instruments like the tambourine and drum are lawful; but all non-Arabic musical instruments are unlawful. How can you explain this situation? What was the nationality of the majority of hadith narrators?


Which Animals Are Lawful?

The verse 6:145 clearly states that only four kinds of animal products are prohibited for eating: animals that die of themselves, running blood (not that trapped within the meat), the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than their Creator. Verse 146 informs us that such prohibition are very specific; God prohibits either “the meat” or “the fat”, or both, if He so wills. The following verses 6:147-150 state that whoever prohibits other than those four items, is a follower of conjecture and human opinion.

The Quran also states that those who invent prohibition and attribute them to God, are idol worshipers. Ironically, those who idolize their scholars by accepting their opinions as a divine law are not aware of their idol worship. They will assert that God is the source of their idol worship by saying that these laws were from God (6:148 and 6:23).

The Quran prohibits only the meat of one animal, the pig. God left eating other animals up to our taste. We cannot prohibit animals that we do not like and claim that God prohibited them. But the religious scholars invented many prohibition and consequently disagreed on them.

a) Why is the eating of clam, shrimp, crab, and mussel unlawful according to the Hanefy sect and lawful according to Shafiiy and Maliky? What about the Quran and Muhammad?

b) Do the differences between Sunni sects on the dietary prohibition originate from hadith or the Quran?

c) What food is lawful and what is unlawful in Islam?

d) According to the Quran, division into sects is a behavior of idol worshipers and it is the result of following man-made books (23:52-56; 6:159). How can you accept this satanic division as a mercy from God?

e) According to the Quran, only the meat of pig is prohibited, not its fat. God does not prohibit pigs, but prohibits only the meat of pigs. What is your proof that pig’s fat is unlawful in Islam? Did the hadith inventors forget to fabricate a hadith to prohibit pig’s fat?


Why Do You Insult And Oppress Women?

Books of hadith and Sunni jurisprudence are full of narrations and laws against women, insulting them and looking down upon them:

“The intelligence and the religion of women are incomplete.” “If a monkey, a black dog, or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified.” “To find a good woman among women is similar to finding a white crow among a hundred crows.” “The marriage commitment is a kind of slavery for women.” “If anybody has been required to prostrate before others beside God, the woman should prostrate before her husband.” “I have been shown the dwellers of hell; the majority of them were women.” “If the body of the husband is covered with pus and his wife licks it with her tongue, she still will not be able to pay her debt to him.”

Baseless hadiths

These are only a few examples from the most popular satanic books, Bukhary and Muslim, which in many cases are preferred over Quran. The six “authentic” books (Bukhary, Muslim, Ibn Hanbal, Tirmizy, Ibn Majah, and Nesaiy) are full of many fabricated hadiths against women. Those who accepted the narrations reported by the professional liars of Amawy and Abbasy as their religious source, have unfortunately created a terrible male oppression of females for centuries. According to the Quran, those who are not content with Quran and fabricate lies and attribute them to the prophet, are the enemy of the prophet (6:112-116). Those who uphold baseless hadith, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain, have incurred a shameful retribution (31:6).

According to God’s law, women have the same rights as men (2:228). Women can divorce their husbands (2:230, 233, 228; 4:35). Women cannot remarry until they have three menstruation but men have no such obligation and this is the only difference (2:228). On the other hand, The Arabs who are described as “the worst disbelievers” by the Quran (9:97), fabricated many religious laws parallel to their despicable attitude towards women. According to the Sunni religion, the woman has no right of divorce . The husband can divorce his wife whenever he wants, but a woman cannot divorce her husband, even if she hates him.

a) Do you accept the hadiths we quoted above from Bukhari and Muslim?

b) What is the Quranic description of those who produce lies and attribute them to the prophet?

c) Quran has given women equal rights (2:228). Why do you not give them the right of divorce?

d) According to the Quran, divorce is a case that takes at least four months to be put into effect (2:226; 4:35; 65:6). After divorce, women must wait at least three menstruation before remarriage (2:228-230). A couple can divorce one another twice and can remarry, but after the third divorce they cannot remarry consecutively (2:229, 230). Whoever says that he divorced his wife merely by verbal announcement of the divorce (talaq) three times, is simply a liar. How can a husband divorce his wife three times only by saying, “I divorce you by three talaqs (divorces)”?

e) According to your sectarian religion, if a husband utters certain words, even by mistake or in anger, he gets divorced. He cannot marry his wife anymore. How many couples have been forced to divorce since this rule was presented as a divine law? How much money have your scholars made for finding tricky ways to reunite the “divorced” couples?

f) Because you have not given women their right of divorce, sometimes you encounter very serious social problems. To solve these problems, Hanafi scholars decreed that a woman should be considered divorced even if her husband divorces her under pressure. What is your opinion on this Sunni law?


Why Do You Force Women To Cover Their Hair, And Even Their Face?

One of the most abused and distorted subjects after Muhammad, of course, is the jurisprudence about women. Like the Christians, the Muslim scholars also invented hermitism (57:27), and by hadiths and their personal opinions, they deprived women of their God-given rights. In the muslim society, women became deaf, dumb and blind creatures. Muslim scholars have humiliated woman by their satanic teachings, taking away her divorce right, not allowing her to pray, read Quran, fast, or worship God during her menstruation, considering her equal to donkeys and black dogs (which according to hadiths should be killed wherever found), comparing her with black crows, depriving her of education, not accepting her as a consultant or a leader of a government…

In addition, Muslim scholars refused to allow women to go out in public, unless they put themselves in black sacks… Some of them went a step further and forced them to hide their face with veils.

Distorting the meaning of words

Muslim scholars tried to apply their satanic religion to Quran and change the meaning of words (4:46; 5:13; 5:41). They tried to change the meaning of the Arabic word “khumur = covers” in 24:31 into “head covers”. The word “khumur” is a plural noun that comes from the root word of “khamara” which means “to cover”. The singular form of the same word “khamr”, has been used for intoxicants which “cover” the mind (5:90). In verse 24:31, God commands female believers to maintain their chastity and put their covers on their chests, not their heads! Additionally, the word “fel yedribne = they shall put” is significant in that verse. If hadithists were correct, instead of this word, “fel yudnine = they shall lengthen” (like in 33:59) would have been used.

a) What does “khamara” mean and why do you change the word “khumur = covers” in verse 24:31, into “khumurur re’s = headcovers” ?

b) Did women believers during the time of Muhammad use veils to cover their faces or not? If they were not covering their faces how and why did a main Sunni sect, Shafiiy, invent veils? If they were covering their faces with veils how and why did a main Sunni sect Hanefy amend it? Those who can invent veils can also invent head covers. Why not?


Why Do You Make Distinction Among Messengers

God commands us not to make any distinction among messengers (2:285). Believers’ attitude towards God’s commandments is to say “we hear and we obey”; but those who manipulate words say “we hear and we disobey” (4:46).

God has blessed His messengers with different peculiarities. In 2:253 He gives some examples of these peculiarities, such as His speaking directly with Moses, and giving profound miracles to Jesus and supporting him with the Holy Spirit. In 17:55 He states that He had preferred some messengers to others by giving each of them different blessings, such as endowing David with Psalms. But God did not mention anywhere that He had preferred this messenger over that messenger. According to 2:285, we do not have the right to make a preference list for messengers. Otherwise, idolizing messengers and falling into a baseless dispute is inevitable.

Putting messengers into a satanic competition

While you claim that the last prophet is the highest, someone may claim that the first prophet deserves this rank. Another may claim that Jesus is the greatest prophet and can support his claim by Jesus’ miraculous birth (19:19), his title as being “word of God” (4:171), being a prophet from birth day (19:30), his numerous miracles such as reviving the dead by God’s permission (3:49), and being mentioned in a verse that states God’s blessing to the messengers (2:253). Another person may claim that Moses is the highest, basing it on the same verse 2:253, and saying that the only prophet that God talked to was Moses (4:164). If another puts David on the top of the messengers list based on 17:55 what can you say? If yet another comes and claims that Abraham is the greatest prophet and supports his claim by the fact that Muhammad was his follower and God has chosen Abraham as His beloved friend (4:125), what can you say? If still another comes and claims that Idris is greater than Muhammad and supports his claim by saying that God may give Muhammad an honorable rank (17:79); but God exalted Idris to a lofty rank (19:57), what can you say? If another one arranges the messengers according to their frequency of occurrence in the Quran, and puts Moses on the top (136 times), Abraham the second (69 times), and puts Muhammad as the 19th or 21st prophet from the top of the list, what can you say?

Innumerable hadiths were fabricated to prove that Muhammad was the greatest of all the prophets. Although God states that He did not give Muhammad any miracles except the Quran (29:51; 17:59); the mentality of those who were not content with Quran fabricated hundreds of miracles for him to compete with the miracles of Jesus and Moses.

Fabrication of “miracles” to help their idols

Ironically, Muhammad’s worshipers sometimes take out an eye when trying to make an eyebrow! For example, they claimed by several hadiths in Bukhary that Muhammad cursed a left-handed man who eating with his left hand, and cursed a child passing in front of him while he was praying and caused both of them to be crippled! By inventing sexual miracles they insulted the prophet and his wives with foolish and shameless stories. By inventing Miraj stories (miraculous ascension to heaven with the body) they present Muhammad as a union stewart bargaining with God on the number of daily prayers; but on the other side insulting him, implying that he could not understand that his followers cannot practice 50 prayers a day (a prayer per 28 minutes). After taking advice from Moses who was a resident of the 6th heaven, he reduced them to 5 prayers a day- after five times going up and down between Moses and God! To praise Muhammad, some claimed that in the generations from Adam to Muhammad there were not any disbelievers among his ancestors. To justify their lie, they claimed that Azar was not Abraham’s father (6:74). To prove that Muhammad was the greatest prophet they even claimed that he was created from light, he had no shadow, his body will not rot in the grave, God created the entire universe for him, he will have the highest intercession authority in the hereafter, and so on…

Their common attitude

The common attitude of all idol worshipers is to claim that their idols will rescue them from God’s punishment by intercession (2:123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3; 39:44; 43:86; 74:48; 82:17-19). Instead of praising God day and night (33:42; 76:25), and commemorating Him (3:41,191; 73:8; 4:103), they always praise and commemorate their idols to guarantee the intercession. They sometimes use the name of God without any praise, but they can never use the name of their idol without phrases of praise. They even accuse the true believers who do not act like them as disbelievers.

Muhammadans contradict their own teaching

Those who claim that Muhammad was the greatest messenger are even ignorant of their contradictory hadiths on this subject. For instance; “I had more doubt than Abraham had” (Bukhary 60/1). “If I would have been invited to what Joseph had been invited, I would not reject that invitation” (Bukhary 60:11,19). “Do not give me a higher rank than Jonah, do not make distinction among messengers” (Bukhary 65/4,5; A.B. Hanbel 1/205,242,440; 2:405,451,468). But they did ignore these hadiths and get stuck on “I am the most honorable of Adam’s children, I am the one who will be resurrected first.” (Hanbal 1/5; 5/540,388).

Distorting the meaning

Muhammadans tried to manipulate the meaning of the verse 2:285 which commands us not to make distinction among messengers: “The messenger believes in what was sent down to him from his Lord, and so do the believers. They believe in God, His angels, His scripture, and His messengers; ‘We make no distinction among any of His messengers; ‘ and they proclaim: ‘We hear, and we obey. Forgive us. You are our Lord. To you is the ultimate destiny.'”

Muslim scholars claim that this verse forbids us from disbelieving in some messengers, not from ranking them.

a) Verse 2:285 states that believers believe in God’s messengers. What is the reason of repeating the same point with a different expression? If this is stressing the meaning, then why is not the same stress made for angels and books?

b) Since God knows the weakness of the people who idolize their messengers, why cannot this verse be a reminder from the Lord of the universe to prevent people from putting their messengers into competition?

c) We cannot arrange messengers of God according to their position in heaven. We do not have such a task. Do you know any Quranic commandment that orders us to make distinction among messengers according to their righteousness? Can you show us your hierarchical list of the messengers?

d) If a Christian claims that Jesus is greater than Muhammad according to the Quran, by using verses 2:253; 4:171; 3:49; 19:19, 30; how can you oppose this claim?

e) Muhammad was a follower of Abraham. Who do you put on the top of your distinction list, the follower or the leader?

f) Bukhary, which you usually prefer over the Quran, also narrates that Muhammad was not the most honorable messenger, and believers should not make any distinction among messengers. Why do you force yourself to accept the other narrations that contradict the Quran instead?


Was Muhammad Illiterate?

The verse 7:158 states that Muhammad was a gentile:

“So you shall believe in God and His messenger, the gentile (ummy) prophet.”

The Arabic word “ummy” describes people who are not Jewish or Christian. The meaning of this word, which occurs six times in the Quran, has been changed to ” one who can neither read nor write”. This deliberate manipulation by Muslim scholars has become widely accepted as the true meaning of the word. For example Yusuf Ali, in his translation, follows this pattern: “… So believe in God and His Apostle, the unlettered Prophet,…”. Marmaduke Pickthall’s translation also reflects the same manipulation: “… So believe in Allah and His messenger, the prophet who can neither read nor write,..”.

The Quran explains the true meaning of “ummy”

Let’s examine the true meaning of “ummy” in the Quran. Anyone can easily understand that “ummy” does not mean an illiterate person by reflecting on the verse 3:20 below:

“And say to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not receive any scripture (ummyyeen)…”

In this verse the word “ummy” describes Meccan idol worshipers. It is obvious that “ummy” does not mean illiterate because it has been used as the antonym of the people of the scripture. If the verse was ” … And say to those literate and illiterate”, then their above translation of “ummy” would be correct. According to the verse 3:20 the people of Arab peninsula were two main groups:

1. The people of the scripture, i.e., Jews and Christians.

2. Gentiles, who were neither Jewish nor Christian.

If the people who were neither Jews nor Christians were called “ummyyeen” (3:20; 3:75), then the meaning of “ummy” is very clear. As a matter of fact, the verse 3:75 clearly explains its meaning as gentile.

Mecca was the cultural center of the Arabs in the 7th century. Poetry competitions were being held there. It is a historical fact that Meccans were not familiar with the Bible, thus they were gentiles. So the verse 62:2 describes Meccan people by the word “ummyyeen”:

“He is the One who sent to the gentiles (ummyyeen) a messenger from among them, to recite to them His revelations, purify them, and teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone far astray.” (62:2)

The Quran does not classify the people of Arab peninsula as the literate and the illiterate, as Muslim scholars claim. The Quran classifies the people as people of the book (Jews & Christians) and gentiles. The second classification is the correct one, and the Quran supports it.

The disbelievers claimed that Muhammad was quoting verses from the Old and New Testaments (25:5; 68:15). The verse below refutes their accusation and gives the answer:

“You did not read any previous scriptures, nor did you write them with your hand. In that case, the objectors would have had reason to harbor doubts.” (29:48)

This verse tells us that Muhammad did not read nor write previous scriptures. The word “min qablihi = previous” proves that Muhammad read and wrote the final scripture.

Muhammad was a literate gentile (ummy)

After this examination on the true meaning of the word “ummy”, here are the reasons and proofs for the fact that Muhammad was a literate gentile:

ˆ To magnify the miraculous aspect of the Quran, religious people thought that the story of illiteracy would be alluring.

ˆ The producer of the illiteracy story found it easy to change the meaning of “ummy”, which in the entire Quran, consistently means “gentile” (2:78; 3:20; 3:75; 62:2).

ˆ The Arabs of the 7th century were using letters as numbers. This alphabetical numbering system is called “Abjed”. The merchants of those days had to know the letters of the alphabet to record their account. If Muhammad was a successful international merchant, then he most probably knew this numbering system. The Arabs stopped using the “Abjed” system in the 9th century when they took “Arabic numbers” from India.

ˆ The Quran’s spelling is unique. The mathematical miracle of the Quran, which proves that Quran is the word of God, confirms the unique spelling of the Quranic words. The different spellings of some words are not the personal preference of the scribes. For example, the words “salat”, “zakat”, “hayat” are written with “waw” instead of “alif”. In verse 3:96 the name of Mecca is spelled as “Bacca”. The word “bastatan” is written with “seen” throughout the Quran, except in 7:69 where it is written with “saad”.

ˆ If you write the first verse of the first revelation with Basmalah, you will conclude that Muhammad was literate. We know that Basmalah has 19 letters, the first revelation i.e., 96:1-5 consists of 76 (19×4) letters, this first chronological chapter consists of 19 verses and is placed first of the last 19 chapters and has 285 (19×15) letters. (The code 19 will be mentioned in the next questions). This information explains the different spelling of the word “bism” in the beginning of the Basmalah and in the first verse of chapter 96. You decide; is it reasonable for an illiterate to dictate two different spellings of the same word which is pronounced the same?

ˆ Traditional history books accept that Muhammad dictated the Quran and controlled its recording. Even if we accept that Muhammad did not know how to read or write before revelation of the Quran, we can not claim that he preserved his illiteracy during 23 years while he was dictating the Quran.

ˆ The first revelation was “Read,” and the first five verses of that revelation encourage reading and writing (96:1-5). The second revelation was “The pen and writing” (68:1).

Now, let’s ask our questions:

a) As you can see in verse 3:20 and 3:75, the Quran uses the word “ummy” as the antonym of the “ehlil kitab = people of the book”. Do you believe that Quran classifies people as literate and illiterate?

b) The Quran describes Meccan people with the word “ummyyeen = gentiles” (62:2). According to your claim, all Meccan people must have been illiterate. According to your holy books, who was writing poems in Mecca? Who was reading the poems hanging on the walls of the Kaba?

c) Which numbering system were the Arabs using in the 7th century? Did those who were making calculations with those numbers know how to read and write?

d) Is the unique spelling in the Quran the result of errors and personal opinions? How do you explain the different spelling of “bism” of the Basmalah and the first verse of chapter 96?

e) Does God command an illiterate man to “read”? Could Muhammad read after Gabriel’s instruction ? Does this story not contradict your claim that Muhammad died an illiterate?

f) Let us accept that Muhammad was illiterate before the revelation of the Quran. Why did he insist on staying illiterate for 23 years after the first revelation: “Read !”? Did he not obey his Lord’s command? Did he receive another command forbidding him from reading and writing?

g) Was it so difficult for Muhammad to learn to read and write? If a person still does not learn to read and write after 23 years of careful dictation of a book, what do you think about such a person? Is he stupid or a liar?

h) Was Muhammad encouraging his followers to read and write? If so, why did he exclude himself? How do you explain this strange attitude and verse 2:44?

i) How can an illiterate man insure the accuracy of a scribe?

j) You are trying to imitate Muhammad from his eating to his attire, from his beard to his toothbrush; why do you not imitate his illiteracy? Why do you not follow his sunnah?

k) You are the people who disagree on almost every subject; but you agree on the story of the illiteracy of Muhammad. How could you manage this agreement?


Who Is The Messenger Of The Covenant?

The Quran in the verse 3:81 clearly states that after all prophets, God’s Messenger of the Covenant will be sent to confirm all scriptures:

God took a covenant from the prophets, saying, “After I have given you the scripture and wisdom, a messenger will come to confirm what you have. You shall believe in him and support him.” He said, “Do you agree with this, and pledge to uphold this covenant?” They said, “We agree.” He said, “You have thus borne witness, and I am with you a Witness (3:81).

Verse 3:81 is enough to understand that the prophet Muhammad was included in that special covenant about the coming of a messenger after all the prophets. But in spite of this clear verse, those who idolized the prophet Muhammad claim that Muhammad was not included. Since God knows everything, and knew that some would object, God specifically mentioned Muhammad with the covenant of the prophets in the verse 33:7. Verse 33:7 refers to this covenant:

Recall that we took from the prophets their covenant, including a pledge from you (O Muhammad), and from Noah, Abraham, Moses,and Jesus the son of Mary. We took from them a solemn pledge (33:7).

The definition of “Nabi” and “Rasoul”

Verse 3:81 also provides the definition of “Nabi” (Prophet) and “Rasoul” (Messenger). Thus, “Rasoul” is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture unless he is a prophet. According to the Quran, every “Nabi” is a “Rasoul”, but not every “Rasoul” is a “Nabi”. The word “Rasoul” is more general than the word “Nabi”. For example the word “Rasoul” is used for the messenger of the King of Egypt in verse 12:50, but “Nabi” is always used for God’s messengers. Also the frequency of the occurrences of these two words in the Quran gives a hint of this nuance.

Not every messenger was given a new scripture. It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim scholars (2:42, 146, 159). Those who are not sufficiently familiar with the Quran tend to think that Aaron was a “Nabi”, as stated in 19:53, who did not receive a scripture. By this claim they try to exchange the meaning of the “nabi” and “rasoul”. However, the Quran clearly states that the Book was given specifically “to both Moses and Aaron” (21:48; 37:117).

We learn from the Quran, 33:40, that Muhammad was the last prophet (Nabi), but not the last messenger (Rasoul):

“Muhammad was not the father of any of any man among you; he was a messenger (Rasoul) of God and the last prophet (Nabi).” (33:40)

The common human trait

From time immemorial, it has been a human trait to reject a contemporary, living messenger on the basis that a previous messenger was the last messenger. Joseph was declared “the last messenger” (40:34). Yet, many messengers came after him, including Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad.

“Joseph had come to you in the past with clear signs, but you continued to doubt his message. And when he died you said, ‘God will not send any messenger after him. God thus sends astray those who are transgressors, doubtful.” (40:34)

The verses before 3:81 give us the most important reason for the rejection of the Messenger of the Covenant by “Muslims”:

Never would a human being whom God has blessed with scripture and prophethood say to the people, “Be worshipers of me besides God.” Instead, (he would say), “Be devoted to your Lord alone, in accordance with the scripture you received, and learned. Nor would he command you to set up the angels and the prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelieve after becoming Muslims ? (3:79, 80)

Muslims idolized Muhammad

Today’s Muslims, like past generations, fell into the satanic trap of fabrication, and idolized Muhammad. They accepted him as the source of the religion, which according to Quran is idol worship (6:114; 9:31; 12:40; 18:26, 109,110; 41:6; 46:9). They put his name next to the name of God in the “shahadah”, and this is idol worship (39:45; 3:18; 37:35). They added his name in the “Adhan” and disobeyed Quran (72:18; 2:285; 3:18). They attributed to him many names of God such as Raheem, Raouf, Azeez, Hafeez, Haseeb, Mujeeb, Awwal, Ahir, Kareem, Hakeem… They put his name right next to God’s name in the mosques. By stories of intercession, they accepted him as a rescuer from God (2:123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3,18,49; 13:16; 39:44,45; 43:86; 74:48; 82:17-19). They praised his name more than God by abusing the verse 33:56 (For the correct meaning of 33:56 see the verse 33:43 and 9:103 which “salla” means “encourage”, not “praise”). They accepted him as sinless from birth till death (18:110; 41:6; 47:19; 48:2; 33:37; 42:52; 93:7). Ironically, Sunni and Shiite Muhammadans are not aware of their idolatry. They claim that they are monotheists (6:23).

Mahdi: Satanic diversion

There is absolutely no way around the Quranic prophecy in 3:81 that a messenger will come after Muhammad. From 3:81 and 33:7, we learn that God’s Messenger of the Covenant is not Muhammad. Why then do we not see any trace of this messenger in the literature? How did such an important prophecy disappear? Since it is impossible for Satan to remove the Quranic prophecy, the devil resorted to a clever diversionary tactic. Through Hadith and other Muhammadan literature, Satan created a number of figures such as the Mahdi, Imam Zaman, the reappearance of Jesus, etc., to replace God’s Messenger of the Covenant. Satan even reversed the definitions of “Nabi” and “Rasoul”. Thus, after Muhammad’s death, people started to wait for the expected Mahdi, Jesus, and the 12th Imam, instead of a Messenger.

Satan duped millions of Muslims into waiting for an imaginary, non-existent figure. There are numerous clues exposing the gradual development of this Satanic plot. For example, the early narrations called the expected savior “Mahdi Rasoul”. As a second step, Satan removed the word “Rasoul” and called the expected figure just “Mahdi.”

Distinguishing God’s messengers from fake ones

The Quran provides straightforward criteria to distinguish the true messengers of God from the false messengers: 1) God’s messenger advocates the worship of God alone and the abolition of all forms of idol-worship. 2) God’s messenger never asks for a wage for himself. 3) God’s messenger is given divine, incontrovertible proof of his messengership. Anyone who claims to be God’s messenger, and does not meet the three minimum criteria listed above is a false claimant. Additionally, God’s messenger is supported by God’s invisible soldiers (3:124-126; 9:26-40; 33:9; 37:171-173; 48:4-7; 74:31). God’s messenger is supported by God’s treasury (63:7-8). God’s messenger, as well as the believers, are guaranteed victory and dignity, in this world and forever (40:51; 58:21).

a) Why do you exclude Muhammad from the covenant which was taken from all the prophets?

b) What is your proof that the covenant mentioned in 33:7 is a different covenant?

c) Why does God repeat the words “messenger” and “prophet” one right after the other in 33:40: “Muhammad was a messenger of God and the last prophet”?

d) Where does Quran state that Muhammad was the last messenger?

e) Why do Christians reject Muhammad? Why did Egyptians reject Moses? Are you sure that you don’t have the same problem?

f) The verse 3:81 which prophecies the messenger that will come after all the prophets, also defines the difference between “nabi” and “rasoul”. Why do you not accept this definition?


Will Jesus Come Back?

For the believers who uphold the Quran alone, the second coming of Jesus is a simple story which contradicts the Quran. Let’s examine the Quranic facts about this story:

1) Jesus was a prophet of God, and he announced his prophethood as an infant (19:30).

2) Muhammad was the messenger of God and the last prophet. No prophet will come after Muhammad (33:40).

If we agree on these two points, we will agree on the third. As the logical result of the above facts, the third fact is:

3) After the last prophet Muhammad, Jesus will not come back, since Jesus was a prophet.

To claim that Jesus, in his second coming, will not be a prophet, is denying the verses about Jesus’ prophethood. If Jesus will come back, he has to believe the Quranic verses that say he is a prophet. If he accepted that he is a prophet, he would being denying the final prophethood of Muhammad.

Those Muslims who adopted Christian stories about the second coming of Jesus, tried to manipulate the meaning of several verses, such as 43:61 and 4:159. For the correct meaning of these verses you can look at “Quran, The Final Testament” translated by Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Islamic Productions, Tucson, 1989.

a) If Jesus comes back, as you claim, will he accept the Quranic verses that state “Jesus is a prophet”?

b) If Jesus will come back as a prophet, then how can Muhammad be the last prophet?

c) What is your opinion on a hadith which claims that when Jesus comes, he will make some unlawful things lawful(Bukhary: 34/102; 46/31). Do you believe in this hadith? What about the verse 5:3 which states that God has completed the religion by the Quran?

d) How will you recognize Jesus? Will he show the same miracles that he showed before?

e) Which place will be Jesus’ airport; the white minaret in Damascus, or Bagdad, or Mecca?


What Is The Crucial Age?

What is the age of responsibility? If a child dies at the age of 12, without even hearing about God, does this child go to Heaven or Hell? What if the child is 15 years old, or 21, or 25? At what age will the human being be held responsible for his or her beliefs? This question has always puzzled researchers of all religions.

However, the Quran sets the age of religious responsibility at 40; any one who dies before this age will go to Heaven:

“We enjoined the human being to honor his parents. His mother bore him arduously, gave birth to him arduously, and took intimate care of him for thirty months. When he reaches maturity, and reaches the age of forty, he should say, “My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and to work righteousness that pleases You. Let my children be righteous as well. I have repented to You; I am now a submitter.”(46:15)

If the person believed in God and benefited from belief by nourishing his or her soul, he or she goes to the High Heaven. Otherwise, the person goes to the Lower Heaven.

Your first reaction to this piece of information is objection: “What if the person was really bad, evil, and an atheist, will he go to Heaven if he died before the age of 40?” This is because you are mean, while God is the Most Merciful. Our tendency is to “put them in Hell”.

People who objected strongly to this Divine mercy cannot come up with a cut-off age of responsibility. They ask questions like, “What if the person was really wicked?” The answer is, “Does God know that this person was wicked?” “Yes.” “Does God know that this person does not deserve to go to Heaven?” “Yes.” “Therefore this person will not die before the age of 40.” As simple as that. God is the only one who terminates our lives. He knows exactly who deserves to go to Heaven and who deserves to go to Hell.

a) What is the age of responsibility according to your sect?

b) If a sixteen year old child dies as a Christian, does he or she go to Hell?

c) Why do you not accept the Quranic decree about the age of responsibility?


How Do You Pronounce “Shahadah”?

All God’s messengers delivered the same message: “You shall not worship anybody but God.” Throughout the Quran, the most important subject is worshiping God alone. More than a hundred times Quran repeats this theme. “La elaaha ellaa Allah” and “La elaaha ella Hu” (No god except He) occur in the Quran more than thirty times . Nowhere in the Quran can you find any other names attached to this important phrase.

The Quran states the first pillar of submission:

“God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge.” (3:18)

This most crucial pillar has been distorted. Millions of Muslims have adopted Satan’s polytheistic version, and insist upon mentioning the name of Muhammad besides the name of God. However, the Quran’s great criterion in 39:45 exposes such people as disbelievers:

“When God ALONE is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion. But when others are mentioned besides Him, they rejoice.” (39:45)

a) Why do you feel the need to add the name of Muhammad when you announce the oneness of God?

b) Why whenever the Quran mentions the oneness of God, it never mentions any name besides “God”; not even once!?

c) The Quran entails Muhammad and other messengers. Then why do you not say that “There is no god except the One God, and the Quran is His book”?

d) How many times did you say that “There is no god except the One God, and Moses (or Salih, or Jesus …) is His messenger”? Why do you make distinction among messengers?

e) Did Jesus remove the name of Moses from “shahadah” and put his name next to God? Did Muhammad remove the name of Jesus from “shahadah” and put his name next to God? Do you think that all messengers tried to correct the “shahadah” in this way? Why do we not see any discussion on changing the second half of your shahadah in the Quran?

f) Is Muhammad other than God or not? If he is other than God, why do you not think that you are addressed by 39:45?

g) Do you think that idol worshipers accept the fact that they are idol worshipers? Why do you not reflect on 6:23?

h) Books which are a mixture of truth and falsehood sometimes expose the truth. For instance, according to a hadith in Tirmizi, Salat 26 and Nasai, Adhan 4, the prophet taught the Adhan as 19 words. But in your Adhan you have 24 words. Why do you contradict your own teachings? If you remove your addition i.e. “Ashadu anna Muhammadan Rasul Allah” from Adhan, the remaining words are 19. Is this a coincidence?


What About Religious Practices?

Contact prayers are decreed at specific times (4:104). The Dawn Prayer (24:58), the Noon Prayer (17:78), the Afternoon Prayer (2:238), the Sunset Prayer (11:114), and the Night Prayer (24:58) is mentioned specifically in the Quran.

Islam is not a name. It is a description, which means Submission. Islam is called “The Religion of Abraham” throughout the Quran (2:130,135; 3:95; 4:125; 6:161; 12:37-38; 16:123; 21:73; 22:78). And Muhammad was a follower of Abraham (16:123).

Due to a general unawareness of the fact that Abraham was the original messenger of Submission, many so-called Muslims challenge God: “If the Quran is complete and fully detailed (as claimed by God), where can we find the number of units in each contact prayer (Salat)?” On the other hand, God tells us that all the religious practices of Submission were already established before the Quran’s revelation (8:35; 9:54; 16:123; 21:73; 22:27; 28:27). All the messengers after Abraham practiced five daily contact prayers, obligatory charity, and fasting (2:43; 3:43; 11:87; 19:31,59; 20:14). The Meccan idol worshipers used to believe that they were followers of Abraham. So they were practicing the contact prayers, fasting, and pilgrimage (2:183,99; 8:35; 9:54; 107:4-6). During the time of the prophet Muhammad people knew the meaning of “Salat”, “Zakat”, “Sawm”, and “Hac”.

God sent the Quran with their language. God does not command people with newborn words to do something (16:103; 26:195). If God wants to command something that people are not familiar with, He explains it in His fully detailed book. Moreover, If God wants to add a new meaning to a known word, informs us. ( For instance, the Arabic word “el-din” in 1:4 is explained in 82:15-19).

Verse 16:123 is direct proof that all religious practices in Islam were intact when Muhammad was born. Thus, he was enjoined to “follow the religion of Abraham.” If I ask you to buy a color TV, it is assumed that you know what a color TV is. Similarly, when God enjoined Muhammad to follow the practices of Abraham (16:123), such practices must have been well known.

There is no dispute concerning the number of units in all five daily prayers. This proves the divine preservation of Salat. The Quran’s mathematical code confirms the number of units in the five prayers 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 respectively. For example, the number 24434 is a multiple of 19.

The Quran deals only with practices that were distorted. For example, the distorted ablution is restored in 5:6 to its original four steps. The tone of voice during the contact prayers was distorted, and this was corrected in the Quran, 17:110. The fasting during Ramadan was modified in 2:187 to allow intercourse during the night. Zakat, the obligatory charity, is restored in 6:141, and Hajj is restored to the correct months in 9:2,5.

a) Did Muhammad follow the religion of Abraham? Did Abraham practice contact prayers, fasting, charity and pilgrimage? What is your proof that Abraham practiced those rituals differently than Muhammad?

b) Did not Moses, Salih, Jesus observe the Salat?

c) Why do you distort the meaning of 8:35? “Their contact prayers (Salat) at the shrine (Kabah) were no more than a mockery and a means of repelling others…” Why do you claim that Meccan idol worshipers were not familiar with the contact prayers, fasting, pilgrimage, etc.? (9:54; 2:199).

d) According to God how many steps are required for ablution? What about Hanafiy, Shafiiy and other sects?

e) Which one nullifies ablution; bleeding or touching a woman’s hand? What does Quran states on this subject?

f) Why do you disobey 17:110 by reciting Quran silently in daily contact prayers?

g) Why do you mention Muhammad’s name in the contact prayers? Why do you not obey 20:14 and 72:18?

h) Why do you delay the charity by stating that one is not required to give charity if he did not hold his savings one full year? Why do you disobey God’s command in 6:141?

i) Why do you cramp millions of pilgrims in one day, while God has given us four months for this duty? (2:197)

j) Quran condemns idol worshipers who change the sacred months (9:37), which are consecutive (9:2,5). Why do you distort the Sacred Months?

k) Why do you decree a punishment of 60 straight days of fasting for one nullified day of fasting? (2:184).


Can You See The Mathematical Miracle?

“Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe” (Galileo)

Chapter 74 of the Quran, God’s Final Testament, is dedicated to the number 19. The name of that chapter is “Al-Muddassir” (The Hidden Secret). The number 19 is specifically mentioned in that Chapter as a punishment for those who state that the scripture is human-made (74:25), and proclaims that the 19 is “One of the greatest” (74:35). In 74:31, the purpose of the number 19 is spelled out: to remove all doubt regarding the authenticity of the Quran, increase the faith of the believers, and to be a scientific punishment for hypocrites and disbelievers. However, the implication of this number as a proof for the authenticity of the Quran remained unknown for centuries. For fourteen centuries, the commentators tried in vain to understand the function and fulfilment of the number 19.

In 1974, the Lord of the universe unveiled the secret of number 19 to Dr. Rashad Khalifa, an Egyptian-American biochemist. His four-year long computerized study on the Quran did not have any expected target. Surprisingly, he discovered the mathematically intertwined structure by “chance.” This multifold interlocked mathematical design is a message in universal language. This message, providing a built-in physical evidence of its divine source, leaves no doubt in our heart that the Quran is The Final Testament.

Before the secret is decoded

Before the discovery of 19-based system, we knew a symmetrical mathematical system in the Quran. For example:

* The word “month” (shahr) occurs 12 times.

* The word “day” (yawm) occurs 365 times.

* The word “days” (ayyam,yewmeyn) occurs 30 times.

* The words “satan” (shaytan) and “angel” (malak), both occur 88 times.

* The words “this world” (dunya) and “hereafter” (ahirah), both occur 115 times.

Simple to understand, impossible to imitate

The mathematical structure of the Final Testament is simple to understand and impossible to imitate. You do not need to know Arabic, the original language of the Quran to examine it for yourself. Basically what you need is to be able to count upto19. Dr. Khalifa introduces this supernatural message as follows:

The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed-the chapters, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran’s mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving the numbers of chapters and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion of the Quran’s text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed (Quran The Final Testament, Translated by Rashad Khalifa, Islamic Productions, Tucson, 1989, p 609).

Nineteen, as the mathematical code of the Quran, is a challenge for atheists, an invitation for agnostics and a guidance for believers. It is a perpetual miracle for the computer generation. It is the light of the morning promised by God Almighty (74:33).

Physical, examinable divine proof

Here is the summary of this historical discovery:

* The first verse, i.e., the opening statement “Bismillahirrahmanirrahim”, shortly “Basmalah,” consists of 19 Arabic letters.

* The first word of Basmalah, Ism (name) occurs in the Quran 19 times.

* The second word of Basmalah, Allah (God) occurs 2698 times, or 19×142.

* The third word of Basmalah, Rahman (Gracious) occurs 57 times, or 19×3.

* The fourth word of Basmalah, Rahim (Merciful) occurs 114 times, or 19×6.

Although this phenomenon (the opening statement consists of 19 letters, and each word occurs in multiple of 19) represents a minute portion of the code, it was described by Martin Gardner in the Scientific American as “ingenious” (September, 1981, p. 22-24)

* The multiplication factors of the words of the Basmalah (1+142+3+6) add up to 152 or 19×8.

* The Quran consists of 114 chapters, which is 19×6.

* The total number of verses in the Quran including all Basmalahs is 6346, or 19×334. If you add the digits of that number, 6+3+4+6 equals 19.

* The Basmalah occurs 114 times, (despite its conspicuous absence from chapter 9, it occurs twice in chapter 27) and 114 is 19×6.

* From the missing Basmalah of chapter 9 to the extra Basmalah of chapter 27, there are precisely 19 chapters.

* It follows that the sum of the chapter numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12…….+26+27) is 342. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of chapter 27, and 342 equals 19×18.

* The occurrence of the extra Basmalah is in 27:30. The number of the chapter and the verse add up to 57, or 19×3.

* Each letter of the Arabic alphabet corresponds to a number according to their original sequence in the alphabet. The Arabs were using this system for calculations. When the Quran was revealed 14 centuries ago, the numbers known today did not exist. A universal system was used where the letters of the Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek alphabets were used as numerals. The number assigned to each letter is its “Gematrical Value.” The numerical values of the Arabic alphabet are shown below:

A study on the gematrical values of about 200 attributes of God which are mentioned in the Quran, shows that only four names have gematrical values which are multiples of 19. These are “Wahid” (One), “Zul Fadl al Azim” (Possessor of Infinite Grace), “Majid” (Glorous), “Jaami” (Summoner). Their gematrical value are 19 , 2698, 57, and 114 respectively, which are all divisible by 19 and correspond exactly to the frequencies of occurrence of the Basmalah’s four words.

* The total numbers of verses where the word Allah (God) occurs add up to 118123, and is 19×6217.

* The total occurrences of the word Allah (God) in all the verses whose numbers are multiples of 19 is 133, or 19×7.

* The first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.

* This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, 19×4.

* Chapter 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of 19 verses.

* This first chronological chapter is placed ahead of the last 19 chapters.

* Chapter 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, 19×16.

* The last revelation, chapter 110, consists of 19 verses.

* The first verse of the last revelation consists of 19 letters.

* The word “the Quran” occurs 57 times, or 19×3. (The word in 10:15 is a different Quran, so it is not counted)

* The key commandment: “You shall devote your worship to God alone” (in Arabic “Wahdahu”) occurs in 7:70; 39:45; 40:12,84; and 60:4. The total of these numbers adds up to 361, or 19×19.

* The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon that is not found in any other book: 29 chapters are prefixed with “Quranic Initials” which remained mysterious for 1406 years. With the discovery of the code 19 , we realized their major role in the Quran’s mathematical structure. The initials occur in their respective chapters in multiples of 19. For example, Chapter 19 has five letters in its beginning, K.H.Y.A’.SS., and the total occurrence of these letters in this chapter is 798, or 19×42.

* To witness the details of the miracle of these initials, a short chapter which begins with one initial, letter “Q” will be a good example. The frequency of “Q” in chapter 50 is 57, or 19×3. The letter “Q” occurs in the other Q-initialed chapter, i.e., chapter 42, exactly the same number of times, 57. The total occurrence of the letter “Q” in the two Q-initialed chapters is 114, which equals the number of chapters in the Quran. “The Quran” is mentioned in the Quran 57 times. The description of the Quran as “Majid” (Glorious) is correlated with the frequency of occurrence of the letter “Q” in each of the Q-initialed chapters. The word “Majid” has a gematrical value of 57. Chapter 42 consists of 53 verses, and 42+53 is 95, or 19×5. Chapter 50 consists of 45 verses, and 50+45 is 95, or 19×5. The number of Q’s in all ver-ses numbered “19” throughout the Quran is 76, or 19×4.

* The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50000, & 100000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19×8534.

* If we write down the number of each verse in the Quran, one next to the other, preceded by the number of verses in each chapter, the resulting long number consists of 12692 digits (19×668). Additionally, the huge number itself is also a multiple of 19.

The details of this study is endless. Keeping up with the new discoveries is a challenging task.

In the original of The Old Testament

Is this mathematical structure unique to the Quran? For a while we thougt so. But, we were wrong. The same 19-based mathematical composition was discovered by Rabbi Judah in the 12th century AD in a preserved part of the Old Testament. Evidently, the prime number 19 is the signiture of God, the Greatest Matematician.

Below is the copy from Studies In Jewish Mysticism:

“The people (Jews) in France made it a custom to add (in the morn ing prayer) the words: Ashrei temimei derekh (blessed are those who walk the righteous way), and our Rabbi, the Pious, of blessed memory, wrote that they were completely and utterly wrong. It is all gross falsehood, be cause there are only nineteen times that the Holy Name is mentioned (in that portion of the morning prayer), . . . and similarly you find the word Elohim nineteen times in the peri cope of Ve- elleh shemot . . . .

Similarly, you find that Israel were called sons nineteen times, and there are many other examples. All these sets of nineteen are intricately inter twined, and they contain many secrets and esoteric meanings, which are contained in more than eight volumes. Therefore, anyone who has the fear of God in him will not listen to the words of the Frenchmen who add the verse Ashrei temimei derekh (blessed are those who walk in the paths of God s Torah, for according to their additions the Holy Name is mentioned twenty times . . . and this is a great mistake. Furthermore, in this section there are 152 words, but if you add Ashrei temimei derekh there are 158 words. This is nonsense, for it is a great and hidden secret why there should be 152 words . . .” (Dan, Joseph. Studies In Jewish Mysticism, Association for Jewish Studies. Cambridge, Massachusetts: 1978, p 88.)

How can we explain this phenomenon?

There are primarily four possible explanations:

1) Manipulation: You may be skeptical about our data regarding the mathematical structure of Quran. However, you can eliminate this option in several hours by random checking of our detailed computer print out. We have published them in several books and they can be obtained from the Monotheist Production International.

2) Coincidence: This possibility is eliminated by the statistical probability laws. The consistency and frequency of the 19-based pattern is much too overwhelming to occur coincidentally.

3) Human fabrication: While fabricating a literary work that meets the criteria of the document summarized here is a stunning challenge for our computer generation, it is certainly improbable for the time of initiation of the document, namely, 610 AD. One more fact augments the improbability of human fabrication. If a certain person or persons had fabricated this literary work, they would want to reap the fruits of their efforts; they would have bragged about it.

In view of the originality, complexity, and mathematical sophistication of this work, we have to admit that it is ingenious. However, no one has ever claimed credit for this unique literary code; the code was never known prior to the computer decoding accomplished by Dr. Khalifa. Therefore it is reasonable to exclude the possibility of human fabrication.

The timing of the discovery may be considered another evidence for the existence and full control of Supreme Being: The mystery of the number 19 which is mentioned as “one of the greatest events” in the chapter 74 (The Hidden Secret) was unveiled exactly 1406 (19×74) lunar years after the revelation of the Quran. Dr. Khalifa discovered the code 19 in 1974. The connection between 19 and 74 (the number of the chapter which this code is mentioned) is significant in the timing of the discovery.

4. Super Intelligent Source: The only remaining possibility is that a super intelligent source is responsible for this document; one who designed the work in this extraordinary manner, then managed to keep it a well guarded secret for 14 centuries, for a predetermined time.

The mathematical code ensures that the source is super intelligent and also that the document is perfectly intact.

It is not a dream anymore

The following excerpts are from the famous astronomer and science-fiction writer Carl Sagan’s book:

“No, don’t you see? This would be different. This isn’t just starting the universe out with some precise mathematical laws that determine physics and chemistry. This is a message. Whoever makes the universe hides messages in transcendental numbers so they’ll be read fifteen billion years later when intelligent life finally evolves. I criticized you and Rankin the time we first met for not understanding this. ‘If God wanted us to know that he existed, why didn’t he send us an unambiguous message?’ I asked. Remember?”

“I remember very well. You think God is a mathematician.”

“Something like that. If what we’re told is true. If this isn’t a wild-goose chase. If there’s a message hiding in pi and not one of the infinity of other transcendental numbers. That’s a lot of ifs.”

“You’re looking for Revelation in arithmetic. I know a better way.”

“Palmer, this is the only way. This is the only thing that would convince a skeptic. Imagine we find something. It doesn’t have to be tremendously complicated. Just something more orderly than could accumulate by chance that many digits into pi. That’s all we need. Then mathematicians all over the world can find exactly the same pattern or message or whatever it proves to be. Then there are no sectarian divisions. Everybody begins reading the same Scripture. No one could then argue that the key miracle in the religion was some conjurer’s trick, or that later historians had falsified the record, or that it’s just hysteria or delusion or a substitute parent for when we grow up. Everyone could be a believer.” (Carl Sagan, Contact, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1985, p 418-419)

Eerily, almost everything exactly has been happening according to Carl Sagan’s prediction with an exception that the code of the divine message is not pi, it is a peculiar prime number. Also the last statement seems to be too optimistic, at least for the time being. Already millions of Muslims have rejected the mathematical code based on the presupposition that the Creator of the universe won’t employ mathematics in his book. And born-again Christians are ready to coin it as Anti Christ.

However, this mathematically coded message promises a new era in the world of religions. It does not only provide an examinable evidence for the existence of God, it also expose the widespread corruption plagued all the organized religions. This mathematical code suggests (as it is published in our numerous books) a “Copernican revolution” in theology of religions. Instead of Krishna-centered, or Jesus-centered, or Muhammad-centered religions we must turn to the original center, to the God-centered model.

They cannot see the miracle

The “learned Muslim scholars” cannot understand or accept this clear mathematical composition. Indeed, the verse 74:31 prophecies that hypocrites will not be able to understand this miracle. Also the verse 7:146 describes those people who are deprived of seeing the miracle:

I will divert from My revelations those who are arrogant on earth, without justification. Consequently, when they see every kind of miracle they will not believe. And when they see the path of guidance they will not adopt it as their path, but when they see the path of straying they will adopt it as their path. This is the consequence of their rejecting our revelations, and of being totally heedless thereof. (7:146)

a) Are all of those mathematical facts coincidences?

b) How many letters are there in the opening statement of the Quran i.e., Basmalah? Why do your ancient scholars (Fahreddin er Razi, Qurtubi etc.) who counted the letters of Basmalah agree on 19 letters? Why after the discovery of the miracle do you refute your respected ancient scholars?

c) 786 is the gematrical value of Basmalah used by Muslims to represent the Basmalah. How many letters does this famous number represent?

d) Why do you fail in counting the 19 letters of Basmalah which is a very simple and very obvious physical fact?

e) Almighty God in 74:31 gives us a list of functions of the number “19”. This is what “19” will do: 1) Disturb the disbelievers. 2) Establish certainty in the hearts of the believers, the Jews, and the Christians, concerning the divine origin of the Quran. 3) Strengthen the faith of the faithful. 4) Remove all doubt from the hearts of the believers, and the Jews, and the Christians. 5) Expose the hypocrites and the disbelievers who claim with their lip service to be believers; they will not accept the 19-based miracle. The mathematical miracle of the Quran fulfills all these functions one by one. The question to the Muslim scholars who reject God’s miracle is: How will the number 19 establish certainty in the hearts of people? How will the number 19 remove all doubt from the people’s heart? How will the hypocrites be exposed? What are the functions of your 19?

f) The reason for your rejection of this great miracle has been explained in 74:31; 7:146 and 6:25. Why do you not kill your ego, and purify your heart?

g) How was the prophecy of 10:20; 27:93 & 41:53 fulfilled?

h) Is it not significant that the same 19-based mathematical composition was discovered by Rabbi Judah in the 12th century AD in a preserved part of the Old Testament? (See Studies In Jewish Mysticism, Association for Jewish Studies, Cambridge, Mass., Joseph Dan, page 88, 1982).

i) What do you think about the Quranic prophecy on this discovery which confirms the mathematical miracle of the scriptures?: “Proclaim: ‘What if it is from God, and you disbelieved in it? A witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar phenomenon, and he has believed, while you have turned too arrogant to believe. God does not guide the wicked.’ ” (46:10).

j) What do A.L.M., HH.M., Y.S., Q. mean? Why is the Quranic expression “These are the miracles –ayaat– of this book” found ONLY in conjunction with Quranic initials? (10:1; 12:1; 13:1; 15:1; 26:1-2; 27:1; 28:1-2; 32:1-2).

“A RELIGION NEVER AUTHORIZED BY GOD” (42:21)

The extent to which Islam has been corrupted is illustrated in the following:

In the paranthesis are some of the Chapter:Verse numbers that contradict the traditional orthodox teaching.

Hadith and Sunna (6:19,38,114; 7:3; 12:111; 17:46; 31:6; 45:6; 69:38-47 …..)

Killing whomever they consider an apostate (2:256; 4:90; 10:99;18:29; 88:21,22.)

Cutting off the hand of the thief (5:38, 12:31)

Stoning the adulterers to death (24:2; 4:25.

Killing muslims who do not observe prayer (2:256; 18:29; 20:14)

Killing one who drinks alcohol for the 4th time ( 2:256; 18:29)

Forbidding menstruating women from worshiping (2:222)

Forbidding women from the Friday prayer (62:9)

Oppressing women and forcing them to wear head-covers and unreasonable clothes; and depriving them of all rights in marriage, divorce, inheritance, etc. (3:195; 4:19,32; 9:71; 2:228.)Y

Insulting women by instituting that “if a monkey, or a black dog, or a woman passes in front of a praying person, his prayer is nullified” (9:71; 33:35 …)

Idolizing Muhammad against his will:

Calling him “the most honorable messenger” 2:285

Claiming that he was infallible (4:79; 9:117; 33:37; 40:66; 42:52; 66:1; 80:1-10; 93:7)

Setting up his tomb as a “Sacred Mosque” (2:149-150)

Claiming that he possesses power of intercession (2:48,123,254; 6:70,94; 7:53; 10:3; 39:44; 43:86; 74:48.)

Adding his name in the five daily prayers and Azan (20:14; 72:18)

Adding his name to the First Pillar of Islam, Shahadah (3:18; 37:35; 39:45)

Inventing a funny story about his ascension to the heavens on a horse, and talking God out of 50 prayers a day, after consulting Moses. (17:1; 53:1-18)

Insulting Muhammad:

Claiming that he advised people to drink urine (7:157)

Claiming that he gouged out people’s eyes (3:159; 68:4)

Claiming that he possessed sexual drive of 30 men (33:21)

Claiming that he was illiterate, un-intelligent (96:1-5 and many more)

Claiming that he had been bewitched by a Jew (17:47; 25:8)

Claiming that he cursed a child passing in front of him during prayer and the child became crippled (3:159)

Nullifying the fact that Muhammad was the last prophet by teaching that Jesus will come back to this world. This makes Jesus the last prophet (33:40; 19:30)

A bizarre dietary system with multitudes of prohibition and contradictions (6:145-150; 16:115,116)

Claiming that hell will not touch them, except for a limited number of days. (2:80-82; 3:23-25)

Altering the four consecutive Sacred Months. (9:37)

Limiting the pilgrimage to three days (2:197)

Neglecting the Zakat charity through distortion (6:141)

Giving a punishment of 60 straight days of fasting for one nullified day of fasting. (2:184)

Inventing numerous rules from ablution, to prayer, to sleeping, to cutting one’s nails. (5:101; 42:21; 2:67-71)

Prohibiting gold and silk for men. (5:48,49; 7:31-32; 18:31; 22:23; 35:33)

Prohibiting music, painting, and the arts. (7:32; 42:21; 34:13)

Rejecting writing a will for parents and relatives. (2:180; 4:11-12)

Claiming that the age of responsibility for males starts at 15, for females starts at 12. Anybody who dies after these ages as a non-muslim, will go to hell (46:15)

Claiming that some verses contradict some verses and therefore they abrogate each other. For example they do not believe in 2:180; 2:219. (4:82; 15:90-92; 2:85)

Claiming that Muhammad added an extra prohibition and abrogated the last part of 4:24. (17:73-75; 69:40-47)

Changing the meaning of the Quranic words. (Such as nabi -prophet- & rasoul -messenger-, ayat -miracle,sign- & ayaat -miracles, verses-). (5:41)

Claiming that Muhammad was the last messenger. (33:40; 3:81; 33:7)

Omitting Basmalah and adding a non Quranic word “ameen” to the end of al-Faatiha in the prayers. (1:1-7)

Reciting al-Faatiha silently in the noon and afternoon prayers. (17:110)

Accepting the division into sects as God’s mercy. (6:159; 30:32; 23:52-56)

Changing the number of the letters of the Basmalah to reject the great mathematical miracle. (1:1; 74:30-37)


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76 Responses to “19 Questions for Muslim Scholars”


  1. June 18, 2007 at 8:25 am

    Asalaam Alaikoum

    I’ve an question , did you believe by the messenger Rashad Khalifa ?

    Peace

  2. 3 treesandstones
    June 22, 2007 at 11:07 am

    The following is a very important question: on other sections of this site,its is said that the Quran states there are only 3 contact prayers ie fajir, asr and isha. Wereas the above article states the following : What About Religious Practices?
    Contact prayers are decreed at specific times (4:104). The Dawn Prayer
    (24:58), the Noon Prayer (17:78), the Afternoon Prayer (2:238), the Sunset
    Prayer (11:114), and the Night Prayer (24:58) is mentioned specifically
    in the Quran.

    Please can you explain this. thanks

  3. 4 samy
    June 23, 2007 at 6:06 am

    you are right , thats an error
    i have to edit

    thank you

  4. 5 samy
    June 24, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    no noon nor afternoon

  5. July 1, 2007 at 10:48 am

    Hi Samy,

    Related to error on prayer times. You don’t have to edit that part but instead you can add a parenthesis to clarify the issue. Ex: Later, we have learned from Quran that traditional daily 5 prayers was not correct, please exam Quranic verses related to issue see.. ayah numbers. I am suggesting this so that people can see when we are not error free and when we learn something from Quran with God’s grace we leave our old habits based on a new knowledge from Quran. This is an on going process and we will be judged by not belief of our parents or our community but our personal belief in god.

    Peace,

    Mahmut

  6. 7 samy
    July 1, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    Hi Mahmut,
    I think the author of the book once edited parts concerning timings of salat later in one of his articles,
    and i think its important to be consistent in the information i post as much as I can .
    I agree that its important to let the people know that we believe that we are not free from errors but sometimes it can cause confusion like what has just happened here to treesandstones.
    Thats why i think its better to discuss each article and book together and edit the original according to what is best and most precise to eliminate confusion for beginners .
    I can read the arabic text to understand the truth but other readers are having problems when reading different translations by different people having different understanding of the text.
    Thank you Mahmut
    peace,

  7. July 12, 2007 at 9:16 am

    u are not muslim..u want to create confusion

  8. 9 Moody
    September 23, 2007 at 11:50 am

    I read this site in the beggining. It appears to me as if, some body is trying to portrait ugly, sinical picture of Islam by twisting all what it tells and simply by lying. Definitely somebody extremely racist, single minded bully who thinks ONLY he and his kind of people are always right and 1.5 billion muslims are stupids according to their DEMOCRATIC OPEN MINDED opinion and EVLOTION only made their race humans.
    YOU SOUNDS EVIL, YOU ARE SPREADING EVIL AND YOU ARE EVIL.
    STOP ATTACKING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE,
    IF YOU THINK YOU ARE REALLY HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    All it takes only one reading of Quran with understanding (authentic translation not lies) and it becomes very hard to resist.
    Opinions are made upon understanding and certain knowledge, which differ from person to person. For some God is a myth, for some they believe or want to believe according to their religion and for some He is as real as His.
    Below are few examples in the favor of Muslim belief:

    For muslims Big Bang Theory is not something new, it is more than 1400 years old, revealed in our Holy Book along with more than 1000 other scientific facts which are happened to be established recently in couple of centuries. And the answers of so many confusing questions which keep humans going astray throughout our lives. And as a fact we know they were revealed before discovered, make it very easy for us to reach to the conclusion……(simply apply the scientific rule of Probability….What if it is 100% correct…IF YOU KNOW PORBABILITY RULE THEN ITS NOT A JOKE!! in simple words it means, if there is one STATEMENT, there are 50/50 chance it is right or wrong. It could be a fluck. If 2 statements chances of guess work are 25% each right or wrong. And if there more than 1000 scientifically proven statments before they were established and all are correct. Then PROBABILITY chances are INFINITE in the favor.
    Even 50 ZERO after decimel point in probability is considered zero % right or wrong result)

    very few examples,

    I have created all the creatures from earth and all the living beings are made out of water (Chapter 21) (living being which are meant to die/perish)
    Don’t you see the earth and sky was together and I separated them, still you don’t believe
    (Chapter 21)
    I have created sky upon earth for your protection and there is sign for you
    (Chapter 21)
    All the stars, moon and sun are floating in their skies
    (Chapter 21)
    All the skies are holding with out pillars and there is sign for you
    (Chapter 21)

    For us God means (The One, Ultimate Creator, Who is Uncreated and above time Always present before and after time and beyond our limited level of comprehension)

    Below is the TOUCH STONE of God that He revealed in our Holy Book:
    1- He is One and Only
    2-the Eternal, Absolute;
    ,the eternally Besought of all! on Whom all depend.
    3-He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    4-And there is none comparable unto Him.
    And none is like Him.

  9. 10 Moody
    September 23, 2007 at 11:54 am

    I meant to say “For some God is a myth, for some they believe or want to believe according to their religion and for some He is as real as His creation”

  10. September 23, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    YOU SOUNDS EVIL, YOU ARE SPREADING EVIL AND YOU ARE EVIL.
    STOP ATTACKING AND KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE,
    IF YOU THINK YOU ARE REALLY HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    please get into more details to understand what is discussed here .

  11. September 24, 2007 at 3:00 am

    the web site is really good…
    interesting topics

    thank you

  12. 14 NABIL
    October 13, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    kindly tell me about you and this site? who you are and who are running this site? secondly which school of thought you belong?
    hope you reply thanx

  13. October 13, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    First of all, thank you for your interest in Truthbooth.
    I really hesitate on categorizing or labelling myself so excuse me if my reply is a little bit vague. I belong to no particular school of thought but just a free-thinker open to all ideas. I am a Muslim, a Sunni by inheritance, but I am interested in studying all religions. My interests here are really to create a space for open-dialogue to elaborate on fundamentals of religions and to study the way in which they govern our lives.
    I hope this information was useful for you

  14. October 14, 2007 at 12:43 am

    Sukran,

    What do you think ?

  15. October 14, 2007 at 6:36 am

    I have just a little to add Stefan; I cannot consider myself belong to any religious sect, other than this I repeat what Stefan said. I am a Muslim. I try to study Qur’an without receiveing any influence -hadiths, learned information, any particular school or sect, etc.- other than the Qur’an itself. I strongly believe in free conscious to pull up what it is exactly said in the Qur’an as much as possible.

    I cannot find myself so far in no school, no political party or no sect, I am just simply muslim. Actually I believe that different Islamic sects and schools are in violation of the Qur’an since they limit the free understanding of the ‘individuals’.

    Thank you for stopping by at Truthbooth and your interest.

    I hope I could answer your question.

  16. 18 Eagle
    October 17, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    Amazing 😀

  17. 19 treesandstones
    October 22, 2007 at 11:42 am

    Maybe its time we as Muslims went back to basics!!! THE QURAN

  18. 20 mohamdino
    October 23, 2007 at 2:22 am

    Stephan, i just have a question,
    after i submitted my comment, i received a message saying, YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITING MODERATION, WHAT IS THAT??? WHO MODERATES IT AND WHAT IS MODERATION??
    THANKS
    MOHAMADINO

  19. 21 mohamdino
    October 23, 2007 at 2:31 am

    STEPHAN,

    I HAVE PUT A COMMENT BUT I DON’T FIND IT HERE?? DOES MOERATION HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT??

    IT WAS A VERY MODERATE MESSAGE BY THE WAY. HEHEHE

    MOHAMADINO

  20. 22 DINO MOHAMADINOOO
    October 23, 2007 at 4:18 am

    MUSLIMS of the world UNITE !!!
    I think it is about time that the Muslims of the north, east, west and south unite. This unity is the real power and influence. This is the area where we should focus our efforts as Muslims. I think it is not the right time to think whether Quran alone or Quran and Sunnah, hegab or not… I think god’s message is the same in Islam, Christianity or any other holy religion, or even in hadith. It is to be a real good and pure humans, to be good to ourselves, others, the environment and above all to god to make the world a better environment for everybody. Religion is about avoiding evil, our inside evil, evil doing, evil people, evil spirits and evil thoughts. To purify ourselves from evil for the good, for god and the humanity. Although it is a very simple massage, just to be good human, humans are unable to do it, since Adam till now, but what we are able to do very good at is arguing, arguing and arguing about our arguments…If we have succeeded in doing so, I mean being good humans, maybe god would have not sent any messengers at the first place.
    B ack to the Article I think that the writer has forgotten a very important aya in the Quran (WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO)
    Which means that we should follow the teachings of prophet Mohamed, who has been described by god in the Quran by ( WA MA YANTEKO 3AN EL HAWA) which means that Mohamed don’t say anything from his head but he is inspired by god.
    So we have a direct order from God in the Quran to follow Mohamed ‘s teaching, those teachings are laid down in sounna book, the authors of those book where doing their best to make sure that those teaching are authenticated to Mohamed. Anyways, as long as those teaching does not drive us to do something wrong for god, ourselves, and others, so what’s bad of following them. Sometimes Quran language is difficult to understand by modern Muslims, so what’s the harm in resorting to sunna for modern Muslim to understand better their religion as long as this Sunna is from trust worthy sunna books.

    Sorry for being too long.
    Finally, maybe I am wrong, anyways only god who knows the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth  . I am a lawyer so excuse my language 
    Cheers and have a nice day…peace for all of you, and thanks Stefan for this interesting website.

  21. October 23, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Welcome DINO MOHAMADINOOO,

    The problem is that after examining the teachings of mohamed (pbuh) from the Quran and the teachings of hadith separately , one can conclude that relying on such books as an integral part to the Quran can create confusion and may lead to the misconception of the true meanings and interpretations of the Quran.

    “as long as those teaching does not drive us to do something wrong for god, ourselves, and others, so what’s bad of following them”

    Unfortunately mixing orders from God in the Quran with orders claimed to be the prophet’s teachings from Hadith will cause division and confusion because who will decide which Hadith is authentic.

    another problem is the unfulfilled prophecies of Hadith, hundreds of prophecies waiting to fulfilled by wars against other religions which has no roots in the Quran.

    Why will God exclude prophecies of mahdi and wars from the Quran ?

    Which sect has the best Hadith ?

    You can clearly see the political influence the hadith books gave to Islam from sharia laws.

    Cheers 🙂

  22. October 23, 2007 at 9:06 pm

    There is an important clarification i left out in my previous comment:
    when the Quran states

    WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO

    (59:7)

    it was meant at the time to tell people to follow the Prophet who was transmitting the message of God through the Quran.

    The teachings of the Prophet were one and the same with the Quran. The divergence between the Quran and the SUnna came later after the death of the prophet when descrepencies began to appear amongst the different Islamic sects and followers. The Sunna then became somewhat seperate from the Quran and Sunna followers took the aya WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO to signify that we must follow both the Quran and the Sunna.

    However, this is a clear misunderstanding for if it is understood within its context, this aya only shows that God is ordering the followers to follow the Prophet as he is the deliverer of God’s message, not follow a whole seperate set of guidelines set forth in a seperate book. why then were these teachings originally excluded from the Quran? why would God descend a book that is partially complete if it He has stated over and over in the Holy Quran that it is a perfectly wholesome text?

    I hope that I have better clarified my argument.

    Peace 😀

  23. October 24, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Thanks, Stefan.

    Hi, Dino Mohamadinooo,

    I do not know exactly which ayath you are mentioning by “WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO”.

    Stefan always makes great explanations on questions, and most of the time I support his point of view, from his statement which is “Sunna followers took the aya WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO to signify that we must follow both the Quran and the Sunna.” I assume it is the ayath suggesting to follow both Qur’an and Prophet.

    First of all, at the time this ayath was received there were no hadiths and sunna, so it is impossible to not to consider it as ‘controversial’ whether it is being indicated sayings and actings of the Prophet.

    In Qur’an Allah says “5:3. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion;…”

    My sense is if it was necessary to add Prophet’s sayings or actions to the Qur’an they would have been added to the Qur’an, besides Prophet’s hadith which prohibits to write anything from him is supposed to be another evidence for hadith followers for we do not need put anything else other than Qur’an as ‘divine rule’ for our religion.

    Qur’an, our intelligence and our own consciousness. These are all we have and we can trust.

  24. 28 aliel
    October 24, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    Dear All:
    I want to make a comment on ‘WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO’:
    it is very important when studying the Quran to clearly read the verse and the context. The sentence quoted above is only part of a verse i.e. God (SWT) was commanding the people fighting the war with the prophet to take into possession the things the prophet told them to use and leave everything else behind. It is a specific incident and by no means should be taken as a general rule.
    There is no way that God (SWT)would expect us because half of a verse is stating this to start collecting endless hearsay, writing tens of books and attributing things/deeds/saying/teachings to the prophet and then expect us to follow the books WE HUMANS wrote. Who are we truly worshiping then? God or the humans who wrote those books?

    Another issue: you state that you don’t believe that RK is a messenger. Of course it is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I would ask you to read Sura (Chapter) 72 and think about the following:
    1) Why are the Jinn saying that they heard a strange Quran and what is the difference between the Jinn saying this here and what they say previously about hearing a book after (the book revealed to) Moses…?
    2) If the Jinn in verse 7 are talking about Mohammed why do they say that we thought that God (SWT)will not send anyone when it was common knowledge back at the time of Mohammed that God (SWT) will send a prophet. Don’t you think it could be possible that this verse is talking about us and not talking about an event in history? It is incidentally today’s muslims who always say that God will not send messengers anymore. Is it possible that this verse is a prophecy about events that will happen years after the Quran is revealed?
    3) Why is verse 18 using the word Masaged and telling people to worship God alone in them. Where there a lot of masaged at the time of Mohammed and if there were, do you think people were worshiping anyone other than God in Masaged built by muslims at the dawn of Islam?
    4) who is the person God (swt) is referring to from verse 19-23 who tells them not to worship someone next to God (SWT) in those places?
    5) Also note now many times the word Rashada is mentioned in this chapter and how the chapter ends…
    Peace and may God show us his path

  25. October 25, 2007 at 8:39 pm

    Dear Aliel,

    Thank you very much for your interesting and articulate comment.

    I do however wish to respond to your comments regarding the RK.

    The 19 theory is proved to be from God according to Sura 74, therefore the purpose of the whole theory must be described from the Sura itself, and I cannot find any indication that a new messenger will explain it, nor any indication that it is going to predict the end of the world, numbers of daily salat and rakahs, etc.

    In Sura 74, God tells us that the code of 19 is employed specifically to prove the divinity of the book as opposed to those who claimed that the Quran is man-made (74:25). There is indeed a mathematical structure of code 19 in the Quran but it should not be exhausted to signify more than it does (see https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/does-the-code-of-the-quran/).The miracle behind the Quran is the Quran itself, it does not need mathematical derivation to prove that it is miraculous. We should not diverge from the original intent of the Quran and get distracted by its mathematical structure.

    I think that the problem with the RK’s supporting proof as to why he is a messenger is completely faulty as it is based on misinterpretations of some fundamental verses of the Quran. To indeed believe that RK is truly a messenger, his teachings must be flawless. However, I think that the RK’s teachings are faulty because they are based on many false and misinterpreted translations of the Quran. Let me highlight some examples:

    With regards to the Salat, RK identifies the following as the contact prayers mentioned in the Quran::

    “Many Muslims do not know that all the five prayers are mentioned in the Quran, their time is clearly mentioned in several verses and that all the steps we do are found also in the Quran.

    {1} FIVE PRAYERS A DAY AND THEIR TIME :

    God gave us the times for the Salat (contact Prayers) in the Quran :

    (1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
    (2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18
    (3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
    (4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
    (5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58

    As you can see from the Quran, God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at specific times” RK

    The above is full of errors as RK has wrongly translated the Quranic verses.

    Primarily,

    ” The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18″ RK

    أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

    Thou shall hold the contact-method until the dipping of the sun; until the darkness of the night; and the Quran at dawn, the Quran at dawn has been witnessed. 17:78

    RK translates it: “You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.”

    The literal translation of this verse however is “Start/keep up the prayers to the sun’s nearing setting to the night’s darkness, and the dawn’s Koran, that the dawn’s Koran was/is being witnessed”.

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=17&vid=78

    RK error revolves around the term “dalak” which has resulted in all the confusion.Dalakat means disappeared or gone and therefore duluk al shams signifies the time of ghorob or sunset (maghrib). From where did RK deduce that dalakat refers to noon?

    Another error is in the following verse:

    وَلَهُ الْحَمْدُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَعَشِيًّا وَحِينَ تُظْهِرُونَ

    And to Him is all praise in the heavens and in the Earth, and in the evening and when you go out.(30:18)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=30&vid=18

    Does praise main prayer? Should God not be praised continuously throughout the day? This verse does not suggest a certain Noon prayer but simply demands followers to praise God.

    On the other hand, the following verse does suggest prayer but it does not however suggest a certain time.

    “(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238 ” RK

    حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ

    Preserve the contact-methods, and the middle contact-method, and stand devoutly for God. (2:238)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=2&vid=238

    There is clearly no timing mentioned.

    “God tells us to do our Contact prayers (Salat) at specific times” RK

    Its impossible to prove that the Quran mentions 5 Contact prayers (Salat) with their specific times

    In order to believe that he is a messenger i have to believe his teachings.
    If his teachings are indeed from God , then did God add the Noon and Afternoon prayers to support the Sunni Salat program 24434 ?

    Let me know what you think.

  26. 31 DINO MOHAMADINOOO
    October 26, 2007 at 12:01 am

    Dear Stephan Aliel and Shoukran,

    First i would like to thank you very much for your comments. I am sure that commenting will somehow clear some pathes for all of us. However, i don’t want to argue on the matter, or claim that i know the truth..or give any other impression that i defend the point of view mentioned in my post…i am just thinking loud or brainstorming with you guys..hoping for a clearer picture for all of us…

    what i mean is, for Muslims current problems around the world, the best solution in my opinion is to unite in terms of resources and manpower..which i believe is the most important thing that all the effort should focus on..

    Concerning your comments, three main ideas came to my mind after i read your comments…

    Any debate which may create sub-groups in the muslim society will eventually hinder or incumber the muslim unity which is in my view much more important than any other issue nowadays..

    I beleive Quran is complete and does not need any additional books or explanations for humans to do what god requires from them..i look to it as a manual for humain to understand how to operate in the environment..However, some people think that they want to get more blessings by following or doing as Prophet Mohamed did or ask people to do in special circumstances…

    If the teachings of prophet Mohamed are not meant to be followed or taken as a perfect example to be followed by Muslims, why God has sent a prophit while he could have just sent the Quran alone without a messenger…I think that sending a messenger with the holy message of God (Quran) means something…

    those were my thoughts rather than a clear opinion….

    Thanks guys and have a wonderful evening

  27. October 26, 2007 at 12:18 am

    “If the teachings of prophet Mohamed are not meant to be followed or taken as a perfect example to be followed by Muslims”

    we are told as sunnis that Bukhari and Muslim’s books are a collection of the prophets sayings.

    please check

    https://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/06/21/bukhari-and-muslim/

    do you believe that those sahih hadiths are true ?

    Teachings of the prophet are to be followed but those are not the teachings of the prophet.

    Thank you dino 😀

  28. 33 aliel
    October 26, 2007 at 3:54 pm

    Dear Stefan:
    Thank you very much for answering my post. Let me have one more round of discussion about RK but first of all let us agree that Code 19 or the 19 number base of the Quran does exist. There is a verse in the Quran (I believe it is about Saleh) where the idol-worshipers go to his followers and ask them whether they believe he is a messenger from God. The followers answer in a very smart way by saying we know that what he brought is from God(SWT) ..in effect saying we can’t prove or disprove that he is a messenger….so perhaps this is the way we could finish this argument. I say that i believe Code 19 is from God and that i tend to believe (i think) that RK is a messenger. You will just say that you believe that Code 19 is from God but you tend to believe that Rk is not a messenger.
    Now to my problem with the way you reason. I don’t believe that ‘To indeed believe that RK is truly a messenger, his teachings must be flawless.’ I don’t even believe it is RK’s job to have teachings to start with. All he is supposed to do is to try to understand God’s (SWT)words and if his understanding is correct, it still wouldn’t prove him a messenger. When you read the Quran, you will see that all messengers did mistakes all the time (I am sure you know that) but there is one specific example where God (SWT) is ‘attacking’ Mohammed because he is wuharam ma ahallahu Allah. This in itself proves that Mohammed’s interpretations were sometimes incorrect. In my humble opinion any sayings or writings of prophets other than the revelations by God (SWT) must include certain flaws for the following reasons:
    1) they prove the difference between what is man-made vs. what is God (SWT) made
    2) they test the follower of a messenger/prophet to prove who is following him vs. who is following God (swt)
    3) they are in a way the room for improvement for the coming generations
    4) they teach us to be humble in front of God (SWT) and make us realise how little we know at the end. Please note the way the Angels answer when God (SWT) asks them about the names….

    For myself, I don’t believe that the Quran for instance talks about 5 prayers. When I read RK’s work I was critical about some of it from the outset but at the end RK is a human being with weaknesses and shortcomings like all of us. Let me try to elaborate:
    Since the dawn of human history on Earth there are two parallel cultures living together; one culture is man-made and a second one God’s. It is always the free choice you have in your life to follow one of the two.
    Human Culture: Is primary based on human value system that in my humble opinion boils down to the fact that your SECURITY is in believing in your society/group. You follow the values of society so that you get to feel safe within its structure. You value your family, your job, money etc because all of them are your source of SECURITY. By doing this you are by default an idol-worshiper because you attribute to society a main Character of God (SWT)…Al Mo’amen i.e. the Securer. (my reading of this attribute is different from typical reading). In effect, you don’t believe that God (SWT) is the one who watches over your life but society. Note America’s reaction on 9/11. People were terrified because there fake walls of security were exposed in a few hours. The same thing happens during natural disasters etc.
    God (SWT)’s Culture: Is primary based on submitting to God (SWT) (the Primary Value) because you realise that no matter what you do on Earth you are fundamentally very weak. By submitting to God (SWT) and worshiping Him alone you effectively get out of the rules of society…so let me give an example of how your attitude should be towards things like money,poverty,intelligence, stupidity etc. If you realise you are weak in some form or strong in some other your options will be to either realise it is from God and ask Him to better your conditions or be grateful for what you have or you think it is from own self i.e. your ego. If you take option 1 then this weakness or strength in itself becomes a secondary value in your life because it helped you to submit to God (SWT). Please note what Abraham so brilliantly argues with his people 6:80 and 81. However you must realise that all human beings even prophets and messengers belonging to God’s (SWT)culture are still flawed.
    When you migrate from Culture one to Culture two then you choose to be a Muslim. Islam is the only true revolution, not the French, not the Soviet and not the Iranian.

    Hi Dino:
    Thank you for your argument but I tend to differ with you on the following:
    I don’t believe that the problem with Muslims today is to unite or not. I believe that the problem of all human beings including Muslims is when they stop searching for the Truth (Al Haq). I don’t want to be united with people under one flag or one label when they abuse God’s words and use them to achieve their earthly needs of money and power. I simply can’t see any gain in uniting with people who oppress women, abuse the weak, promote racial supremacy etc. I don’t care whether these people call themselves Muslims, Christian, Jews, Buddhist or whatever. The Quran tells me who my people are (al omran, the prophets, the believers etc.) and those are the people I would be honoured to unite with.
    If today’s so-called Muslims want to really develop, they must learn to accept their differences in opinion and argue in a civilised form, they must learn to be humble in front of God (swt) and to stop believing that Paradise is their exclusive hotel on the Day of the Judgment. I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of people who are Jewish, Christians, Buddhists etc. who spend their whole life in pursuit of the Truth. They don’t have the luxury of being born and having the Quran at every corner bookstore, yet they live by standards much closer to God’s culture than me. The unity of people could be another one of the secondary values if it serves the ultimate value of submitting to God. (see above)
    Thank you all for reading this long argument and may God show us his Path of Truth.
    Peace

  29. October 26, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    I could have found nowhere in the Qur’an saying “WA MA ATAKOM EL RASOUL FAKHOZOUH WA MA NAHAKOM 3ANHO FANTAHO”. Could you please give me the number of the verse this sentence is being mentioned?

    Thanks.

  30. October 26, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    oops, my bad, thank you.

  31. 37 aliel
    October 27, 2007 at 12:22 am

    Dear Sukran:
    As I said it is only part of a verse and should be read within that context. I don’t believe it is a general command from God because it would have been a stand-alone verse and normally within a series of verses where God (swt) commands us to do certain things.
    Peace

  32. October 27, 2007 at 12:27 am

    Aliel,

    I really think you should read 3:81 in context and see whether it’s talking about a new messenger after Mohammed as RK claimed or it is addressing the people of the book about Mohammed, and tell me your view….

    Thank you

    Peace 🙂

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=81

  33. October 27, 2007 at 3:27 am

    we can discuss together our views because it is a very critical verse

  34. 40 aliel
    October 27, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    Dear Stefan:
    We can discuss this as much as you like but I want you to understand that I am not really trying to change your point of view. I am engaging in arguments like that to check my logic and see whether it stands or not. If I can’t make my argument stand here, I will surely have a lot of problems to make it stand on DJ. I want you to understand that I fully respect your point of view and I agree that verses can be read with multiple interpretations. Our only hope is to be closer to the Truth (swt) but only The Truth (swt) Himself is all-knowing.
    Also, I didn’t specifically talk about 3:81 but since you want to discuss it, I will try to tell you my point of view about it.
    When I first read the Quran, I came across verse 3:78 and I really got stunned. I was always under the impression that the Quran was untouchable (sunni background) and here was a verse telling me that the mushriks will use a language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it…I realised that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. At that time I didn’t know anything about the code.
    When years later I read the Code I noticed something very strange: This verse was telling me about the tampering that they undertook, the following two were telling me what the tampering will be about i.e. that the prophet will never tell us to worship him next to God (swt) (which 9.128 was effectively telling us to do) and then it was followed by the verse you talk about 3.81.
    Now what I found interesting about 3:81 is the fact that it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations and a messenger coming to support those. In my experience with the Quran when God changes from prophets to messengers or from one thing to the other He is trying to make you notice something….let me give you another example: When you read 29:14 you will notice that God (swt) says that He sent down Noah to his people and he lived with them 1000 Sannah minus 50 AAM…this is indeed very strange because for me it implies that Sannah is different than AAM… I did a lot of research about this which we can discuss in another topic but to get back to 3:81 for me it implies that this messenger cannot be a prophet therefore he cannot be Mohammed. If you read the context fully 3:78-3:81, those verses basically talk about 9.128-129 not being part of the book, what they will say and who will clear this issue for us i.e. RK.
    Also, please read verses 15:86-99 which talk about divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not all of it(15:90-91). Again here, in my humble opinion it is talking about today’s Muslims not at the time of Mohammed when people either believed in the whole of the Quran or not in it at all.
    I hope this clarifies my point of view for you.
    Peace

  35. 41 DINO MOHAMADINOOO
    October 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    1-guys what about the verse saying (lakom fe rasoul allah oswa 7asana…)???which in english means you have a good example in god’s massenger…

    2- What about the ahadiths which Mohamed (Puh)predicted things which have really happend..

    3- If it is not possible to take all Mohamed’s (puh) teachings or hadith for serious reasons of contradiction with the Quran, then we don’t have to leave it all.. why shall we adopt a take it or leave it approach…we can take authentic ones which is in line with Quran and leave non-authentic ones…

    4- As we all know heaven is grades or levels, so if Quran is the base line or minimum requirement then Quran and hadith is for higher levels. I mean if you follow both Quran and Hadith you will definetly do more which hopefully will be more regarded by god in the higher levels of heaven..

    5- Theoretically if we have two probabilities: 1- Quran alone and 2-Quran and Sunna. If we adopted the first probability then discoverd that the second is the required one, in this case we have only done half of what’s required and missed the other half.
    but if we adopted the second probability (Quran and Sunna) then we discovered that only Quran is required then we did not miss any thing..so the wise and conservative shall adopt the second probability because it entails less risk of missing anything required.

    This is my view..
    Thanks everyone..

  36. 42 aliel
    October 27, 2007 at 9:59 pm

    Dear Dino:
    there are so many obvious mistakes in your logic that i wouldn’t know where to start:
    1) Do you believe God (SWT) when He specifically says that the Quran is complete or not? If yes then why do you need to follow something other than the Quran? If not then do you truly believe in all the verses of the Quran; one of them at least not….You have to start thinking about the genius and precision of God…when He (SWT) says something is complete then it is complete no adds-on no upgrades etc.. The system is perfect, fully detailed and complete.
    2) If you hear anyone telling you something in line with the Quran, go ahead and read it but BELIEVING in it and claiming it is Mohamed’s words is a totally different issue.
    3) please read 45:6 again and answer the simple question that is being asked. It is really a very basic question and tell me what is your answer to it.
    4) God (swt) tells you that Mohammed is a good example and says exactly the same about Abraham using more or less the same words..Can you please name me all the ahadith and sunna of Abraham you are following.
    5) God (SWT) gave us the choice to choose between His heritage and ours as I argued above, you can’t dance on a high wire with God. You either go with Him or not.
    6) The ahadith totally destroyed Islam….they turned the religion of God into a series of rituals where saying Shahada and praying 5 times a day will most certainly get you in Paradise…where is the essence of the Religion? it is totally gone.
    7) a lot of people predicted things about future events which happened (Nostradamus being one of the many) what exactly are you trying to say?
    8) Do you think following the miraculous book brought down from God to us is a base line? and if you follow the hadith makes you actually are a BETTER Muslim?
    9) the probability calculation is totally wrong because it is more of interference (waves) than probability really.
    Peace

  37. October 28, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    Aliel,

    I must say that Im very impressed by the excessive input you give in each of your comments. Even if we might disagree on some points, you are still very tolerant of other points of view. And more interestingly, your opinions are always well backed up and they show thorough effort and research. Please keep contributing to the blog as you do for even if we disagree on some of the details, we are still in agreement as to the general basic understanding of the fundamentals of Islam and the need to delve into the Holy text and deconstruct each and every detail.
    As for your comments on verse 3:81, I am still working on my response so keep checking the blog regurarly and very soon you will find my reply.

    Peace 😀

  38. 44 Sherry
    November 1, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Peace Aliel,

    I hope you don’t mind me imposing on the discussion that you and Stefan are having. I am still in the learning and questioning stage here. But a few of your points of view seemed… odd. Please allow me to summarise your understanding and correct me, if I make any presumptuous statements.

    You said that you read verse 3:78 and were really stunned as it was telling you that “mushriks will use a language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it”… and you realised that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. I reproduce below the verse that you have quoted:

    3:78 – There is among them a section who distorts the Book with their tongues: you would think it from the Book, but it is from the Book; and they say, “It is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and they know it!
    I must be really daft but when I read this verse, somehow I arrived at a different understanding. I guess the main antagonist for the different understandings (or misunderstandings, as the case maybe) is the word which has been translated above as the word “tongues” (أَلْسِنَتَهُم). Its root word ل-س-ن means “a tongue/speech/language, to seize one by the tongue, bite one in words, make a thing sharp pointed, eloquent speech”, but I am sure that you know that already. The point that I am trying to make is, I suppose, how I understood it. If we take the word to mean “tongues” as has traditionally been translated, how would one distort the Book/Message with their tongues? Let’s see… they could, as you have implied, put something new in the Message, by their “tongues” and we could believe that it from the Book. Now this is one plausible explanation. But then, it contradicts the following verse:

    15:9 – “Indeed We descended the Reminder, and that We are its protectors.”

    So, if somebody “inserted” some fabricated verses in the Message, then I am sorry to say that the “protectors of the Reminder” have not done their job and consequently, there is no way (at least for me) to even consider the whole Book as free of errors and an authentic truth from Allah, what to talk of just the two verses, 9:128 & 9:129, because there remains absolutely no objective way of determining which verses are authentic and which are not. And furthermore, even if you somehow insert new verses in the Message, how do you alter it from the chests of the following people?

    29:47 to 49 – “And like that, We descended to you The Book , so those who We gave the Book , they believe in it, and of these there are those who believe in it, and none deny Our verses/evidences except the disbelievers. And you were not reciting any book before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason. In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations.”

    Now you could say that the Reminder is protected because somebody has been able reveal by a “code” that two verses do not belong in the Message and thus we have received it in its true and pristine form for the first time since whenever it was “unpurified”. Are you actually implying that the true believers/submitters of the time in-between have been following and believing in the “adulterated” Reminder? That Allah did not fulfill His word in 15:9 above for those people and has betrayed their trust? What about those people who say we believe in it, as all of it from our Lord in the following verse:

    03:07 – “He is who descended on you The Book, from which there are straightforward verses, they are The Book’s essence, and others allegorical/similar to each other, so but those in whose hearts/minds is deviation from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, desiring the treason and desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its original interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say: “We believed in it, all is from at our Lord”, and none remember except those of the understanding.”

    There are myriads of verses which describe the people who deny his verses/signs and who disbelieve in them, which I am sure that you are aware of. So I am not going to quote them here. Now you might say that this is a circular argument and thus I should apply these verses to myself as well. Well, the thing is I have… believe me, I have. But I guess I just don’t want to be one of those who are mentioned in the following verse:

    10:15 – “And if Our signs/verses are recited on them, those who do not expect meeting Us said: “Bring a Quran other than that or change it.” Say: “It is not to me that I change it from my own accord that I follow except what is revealed to me, that I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, a great day’s torture.”

    We know what a man who is given the Book, the wisdom and prophet-hood says to the people:

    3:79 & 80 – “It is not to a man that God gives him The Book and the judgment/wisdom and the prophet-hood then he says to the people: “Be worshippers to me, from other than God”, rather: “Be devotees for what you have been taught of the Book, and for what you studied. And does not order you to take the angels and the prophets as Lords. Would he order you with the disbelief, after you have surrendered?”

    After quoting the above verses I realized these were some of the verses which you quoted in relation to RK who will clear things for us. Now from the above verse, I see exactly what RK should have said to the people if he was the one mentioned in the above verse. I think that he started to intimate something along these lines but then afterwards when he denied 2 verses of the Book based on a mathematical miracle, he, in essence, just contradicted the verse 3:79 by indicating that the Book which you have been taught and studied is wrong; follow the revised and changed edition which I have discovered from referring to the historical Hadith. That is when he became excluded from the verse and could not be the man mentioned therein.

    So, now… back to 3:78, the other plausible explanation for it could be that the word translated as “tongues” may well mean “languages/speeches”. Is it possible that people could distort the book by their languages and speeches and say that this is from Allah? Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Presumptuous and biased translations, interpretations… you name it. It is happening today and it is real… and on top of it, the verse now makes sense (at least to me), in the most practical of scenarios.

    Coming to 3:81, and bearing in mind 3:78, you said it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations and a messenger coming to support those. 3:81 is reproduced below:

    3:81 – “And when God took the prophets’ covenant that what I gave you from a book and wisdom , a messenger comes to you confirming what is with you, you will believe him and you will give him aid. He said: “Do you acknowledge and accept My promise?” They said: “We acknowledged.” He said: “So witness and I am witnessing with you.”

    What I see from the above is a messenger will come to the prophets confirming what is with them of the book and wisdom; they will believe him and give him aid. Now I am not going to go into the literal meaning of the verse and ask you did RK go to the prophets and confirm what was with them. But what I am going to ask you that if a messenger comes and confirms what is with the prophets’, what about their aid? How are they going to aid/help him? We know that they are going to help/aid him somehow, but trying to describe how they are going to help is going into the realm of speculation. Maybe this verse is describing an event which will occur on the day of judgment when a messenger would come and confirm what the prophets have with them and they will aid/help him by proclaiming to all of the gathered people that what he speaks is the truth and thus, whomever has not followed him is of the ones who have not believed. But again that is one of the possible speculations and interpretations. So, for me, I would much rather prefer to take some advice from 3:07 and accept that this is a verse of which only God knows the original interpretation.

    Lastly, as for the divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not all of it, I think it is a very pertinent question for each of us to ponder over ourselves and see if we actually believe in all of it unconditionally or all of it except a couple of verses.

    I must apologize in the end, if I have offended anyone here, for that was never my intent. We can only hope and pray to God that he guides us on the Straight Path.

    Peace

  39. 45 Sherry
    November 3, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    Peace Aliel,

    I hope you don’t mind me imposing on the discussion that you and Stefan are having. I am still in the learning and questioning stage here. But a few of your points of view seemed… odd. Please allow me to summarise your understanding and correct me, if I make any presumptuous statements.

    You said that you read verse 3:78 and were really stunned as it was telling you that “mushriks will use a language (wording) close to the Book (i.e. the Quran) for us to think that it is part of it”… and you realised that we could be duped into believing something was part of the book which it isn’t. I reproduce below the verse that you have quoted:

    3:78 – There is among them a section who distorts the Book with their tongues: you would think it from the Book, but it is from the Book; and they say, “It is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah: It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and they know it!

    I must be really daft but when I read this verse, somehow I arrived at a different understanding. I guess the main antagonist for the different understandings (or misunderstandings, as the case maybe) is the word which has been translated above as the word “tongues” (أَلْسِنَتَهُم). Its root word ل-س-ن means “a tongue/speech/language, to seize one by the tongue, bite one in words, make a thing sharp pointed, eloquent speech”, but I am sure that you know that already. The point that I am trying to make is, I suppose, how I understood it. If we take the word to mean “tongues” as has traditionally been translated, how would one distort the Book/Message with their tongues? Let’s see… they could, as you have implied, put something new in the Message, by their “tongues” and we could believe that it from the Book. Now this is one plausible explanation. But then, it contradicts the following verse:

    15:9 – “Indeed We descended the Reminder, and that We are its protectors.”

    So, if somebody “inserted” some fabricated verses in the Message, then I am sorry to say that the “protectors of the Reminder” have not done their job and consequently, there is no way (at least for me) to even consider the whole Book as free of errors and an authentic truth from Allah, what to talk of just the two verses, 9:128 & 9:129, because there remains absolutely no objective way of determining which verses are authentic and which are not. And furthermore, even if you somehow insert new verses in the Message, how do you alter it from the chests of the following people?

    29:47 to 49 – “And like that, We descended to you The Book , so those who We gave the Book , they believe in it, and of these there are those who believe in it, and none deny Our verses/evidences except the disbelievers. And you were not reciting any book before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason. In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations.”

    Now you could say that the Reminder is protected because somebody has been able reveal by a “code” that two verses do not belong in the Message and thus we have received it in its true and pristine form for the first time since whenever it was “unpurified”. Are you actually implying that the true believers/submitters of the time in-between have been following and believing in the “adulterated” Reminder? That Allah did not fulfill His word in 15:9 above for those people and has betrayed their trust? What about those people who say we believe in it, as all of it from our Lord in the following verse:

    03:07 – “He is who descended on you The Book, from which there are straightforward verses, they are The Book’s essence, and others allegorical/similar to each other, so but those in whose hearts/minds is deviation from truth, so they follow what resembled from it, desiring the treason and desiring its interpretation/explanation, and none knows its original interpretation/explanation except God. And the affirmed in the knowledge, they say: “We believed in it, all is from at our Lord”, and none remember except those of the understanding.”

    There are myriads of verses which describe the people who deny his verses/signs and who disbelieve in them, which I am sure that you are aware of. So I am not going to quote them here. Now you might say that this is a circular argument and thus I should apply these verses to myself as well. Well, the thing is I have… believe me, I have. But I guess I just don’t want to be one of those who are mentioned in the following verse:

    10:15 – “And if Our signs/verses are recited on them, those who do not expect meeting Us said: “Bring a Quran other than that or change it.” Say: “It is not to me that I change it from my own accord that I follow except what is revealed to me, that I fear, if I disobeyed my Lord, a great day’s torture.”

    We know what a man who is given the Book, the wisdom and prophet-hood says to the people:

    3:79 & 80 – “It is not to a man that God gives him The Book and the judgment/wisdom and the prophet-hood then he says to the people: “Be worshippers to me, from other than God”, rather: “Be devotees for what you have been taught of the Book, and for what you studied. And does not order you to take the angels and the prophets as Lords. Would he order you with the disbelief, after you have surrendered?”

    After quoting the above verses I realized these were some of the verses which you quoted in relation to RK who will clear things for us. Now from the above verse, I see exactly what RK should have said to the people if he was the one mentioned in the above verse. I think that he started to intimate something along these lines but then afterwards when he denied 2 verses of the Book based on a mathematical miracle, he, in essence, just contradicted the verse 3:79 by indicating that the Book which you have been taught and what you have studied is wrong; follow the revised and changed edition which I have discovered by referring to some historical Hadith. That is when he became excluded from the verse and could not be the man mentioned therein.

    So, now… the other plausible explanation for 3:78 could be that the word translated as “tongues” may well mean “languages/speeches”. Is it possible that people could distort the book by their languages and speeches and say that this is from Allah? Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Presumptuous and biased translations, interpretations… you name it. It is happening today and it is real… and on top of it, the verse now makes sense (at least to me), in the most practical of scenarios.

    Coming to 3:81, and bearing in mind 3:78, you said it talks first about prophets given God’s revelations and a messenger coming to support those. 3:81 is reproduced below:

    3:81 – “And when God took the prophets’ covenant that what I gave you from a book and wisdom , a messenger comes to you confirming what is with you, you will believe him and you will give him aid. He said: “Do you acknowledge and accept My promise?” They said: “We acknowledged.” He said: “So witness and I am witnessing with you.”

    What I see from the above is a messenger will come to the prophets confirming what is with them of the book and wisdom; they will believe him and give him aid. Now I am not going to go into the literal meaning of the verse and ask you did RK go to the prophets and confirm what was with them. But what I am going to ask you that if a messenger comes and confirms what is with the prophets’, what about their aid? How are they going to aid/help him? We know that they are going to help/aid him somehow, but trying to describe how they are going to help is going into the realm of speculation. Maybe this verse is describing an event which will occur on the day of judgment when a messenger would come and confirm what the prophets have with them and they will aid/help him by proclaiming to all of the gathered people that what he speaks is the truth and thus, whomever has not followed him is of the ones who have not believed. But again that is one of the possible speculations and interpretations. So, for me, I would much rather prefer to take some advice from 3:07 and accept that this is a verse of which only God knows the original interpretation.

    Another thing you mentioned was that verse 9:128 effectively tells us to worship him (the prophet) next to God. The verse is reproduced below:

    9:128 – “A messenger has come to you from yourselves, concerned over your suffering, anxious over you, towards the believers he is compassionate, merciful.”

    Somehow, this verse doesn’t tell me to worship him in anyway. It is just informing about his attributes. In fact, the verse following this one, he is himself told to emphasize who is the One worthy of worship, as follows:

    9:129 – “If they turn away, then Say: “God is enough for me, there is no god but He, in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the great throne.”

    For me, it doesn’t get any plainer than that, where the prophet himself is ordered to say that God is enough for him, there is no god but Him, in Him he put his trust and He is the Lord of the great throne.

    As for the divided people who believed in parts of the Quran and not all of it, I think it is a very pertinent question for each of us to ponder over ourselves and see if we actually believe in all of it unconditionally or all of it except a couple of verses.

    Lastly, I would like to apologize if I have in any way offended you or anybody in the forum, for that was not my intention. As I mentioned in the beginning, I am still learning from the Quran and at a very early stage presently. So I suppose the best thing that we can do is be devotee of what we have been taught of the Book (we all know who the teacher is, of course) and what we have studied.

    Peace

  40. 46 aliel
    November 6, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    Dear Sherry:
    I will answer one of your arguments and leave the rest to later as I am a bit busy these days:
    Please read carefully and check the word Reminder in the Quran. I cannot see why people say that the Quran is the ONLY reminder. God (swt) implies that the reminder was there at the time of the Zabur. In my humble opinion God sent down the Zikr a long time ago and preserved it in essence..i.e. it is in my understanding the base of God’s belief system and which was always preserved in the books despite people pampering with the scriptures. It is a well-known fact that the Quran the way you read it now is different from the original text (alifs, hamzas etc.) Therefore, the preservation you mentioned cannot be the one meant in 3:9.
    I also want to make you to think about the following: do you believe that on the Day of Judgment people will be asked do you believe in the two verses or not and based on their answer they will either go to heaven or hell? It is simply not that easy. God (swt) will ask us and we will answer and He alone will know whether we tried to live a righteous life and follow his path or not sincerely seeking the Truth. Based on that the judgment will be made. You have to realise that at some point all of us commit big mistakes….the ONLY mistake you are not allowed to do is to die as a Mushrik other than that you will have to make a case in front of God (swt) and based on His mercy we will be judged. I will explain my reading of the tongues when i have more time.
    Thank you for your argument and may God show us His path.
    Peace

  41. November 6, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    No offense at all sherry, and thank you for your comment.

    I wanted to add some points to your comments, Sherry and Ariel.

    When you read 3:81 within its context, it is clear that God is talking to “The people of the Scripture”, meaning all those on whom Holy Scriptures have been descended before the Quran.

    ( يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ ) “O People of the Scripture” (3:71)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=71

    ( وَقَالَت طَّآئِفَةٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ) “And a group from among the people of the Scripture said:” (3:72)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=72

    ( وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ ) ” And from among the people of the Scripture ” (3:75)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=75

    ( وَإِنَّ مِنْهُمْ لَفَرِيقًا يَلْوُونَ أَلْسِنَتَهُم بِالْكِتَابِ لِتَحْسَبُوهُ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَمَا هُوَ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ ) “And from amongst them is a group that twist their tongues with the Scripture so that you may think it is from the Scripture” (3:78)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=78

    ( مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُؤْتِيَهُ اللّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُواْ عِبَادًا لِّي مِن دُونِ اللّهِ ) “It is not for a human that God would give him the Scripture and the authority and the prophethood, then he would say to the people: “Be servants to me rather than God!” (3:79)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=79

    Given that God is speaking to the People of the Scripture, the prophet mentioned above refers to Jesus and not Mohammed (please see 5:16) , referring to the way in which Jesus’ followers regard him as one and the same with God.

    وَإِذْ قَالَ اللّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنتَ قُلتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَـهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلاَ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلاَّمُ الْغُيُوبِ

    And God will Say: “O Jesus son of Mary, did you tell the people to take you and your mother as gods instead of God?” He said: “Be you glorified, I cannot say what I have no right of. If I had said it then You know it, You know what is in my soul while I do not know what is in Your soul. You are the Knower of the unseen.” (5:116)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=5&vid=116

    And likewise,

    ( وَلاَ يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَن تَتَّخِذُواْ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ وَالنِّبِيِّيْنَ أَرْبَابًا ) (Nor does he order you that you take the Angels and the prophets as patrons” (3:80)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=80

    refers to the Holy Spirit, also taken in the trinity personifying God.

    The next clarification is very important. Here also one must bear in mind the complete context in that God is addressing the People of the Scripture prior to the Quran:

    ( وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ النَّبِيِّيْنَ لَمَا آتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَابٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ ) And God took a covenant from the prophets: “For what I have given you of the Scripture and wisdom, then a messenger will come to you authenticating what is with you. You will believe in him and support him.” (3:81)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=81

    then a messenger came to you ( ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ )(People of the Scripture)
    confirming to/for what (is) with you( مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ ) (People of the Scripture)

    ( ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ ) “Note, a messenger came to you”
    the you here, You ( أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ) being “People of the Scripture” (3:71).

    ( أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ النَّبِيِّيْنَ لَمَا آتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَابٍ ) “God took a covenant from the prophets: For what I have given you of the Scripture” (3:81)

    In many of the English translations, the tense of the verb “to come” was altered, and when it is altered, the the meaning of the whole verse changes. In many translations, it says a messenger “will come” to you, suggesting that a prophet will come in the future. However, in the original Arabic text, the word is in the past ( أَخَذَ ), suggesting that the prophet already came ( جَاءَكُمْ ), indicating the coming of Prophet Mohamed who came and authenticated and confirmed what was said before. Comparing this to the Bible is very interesting.

    14 The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice sorcery or divination. But as for you, the LORD your God has not permitted you to do so. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”

    17 The LORD said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”

    21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

    In the Bible, God states that a prophet will come “like” Moses. The “like” here is fundamental because there is a constant analogy between Moses and Mohamed, a likeliness that is much more apparent than that of Moses to Jesus. In relationship to the Bible (Old and New Testament), the Quran came after and therefore the chronology and the change of the verb tense from “will come” to “came” makes perfect sense.

  42. 48 Sherry
    November 7, 2007 at 12:17 am

    Stefan,

    Your comments in this matter are most welcome. Very interesting insight into the matter, although I am having some difficulty in absorbing that People of the Scripture/Book do not include people who were give the Quran. Also, 3:81, when it says that God took a covenant from the prophets, afterwards how does one infer that He is addressing the people of the Scripture/Book and not the prophets whom He took a covenant from, when He says a messenger came to you?

    Peace

  43. November 7, 2007 at 1:55 am

    Sherry,

    First of all, a close analysis of the verse within this specific context confirms that the Muslims are not from the People of the Scripture. Perhaps the confusion lays in the actual definition of the term Muslim. While historically Muslim refers to the specific sect of people that follow Prophet Mohamed and the religion of Islam, the term Muslim in the Quran is loosely used to suggest all those submitted to God. Throughout the Quran, God refers to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, Moses, Jesus and the prophets from their Lord as Muslims, thus reiterating that all those who follow God are Muslims.

    قُلْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

    Say: “We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make any distinction between them, and to Him we surrender.” (3:84)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=84

    Therefore in this sense, yes indeed People of the Scripture can indeed include Muslims in the general sense. Yet on a microlevel, however, People of the Scripture do not refer to the followers of Mohamed because there are two categories clearly identified within the Quran:

    1- Ahl Al Kitab/Alatheena Ootoo Al Kitab (The People of the Scripture/Those who have received the Scripture ) and

    2-The Ummeyeen to whom there had not yet descended a Book PRIOR to Mohamed.( The Gentiles )

    فَإِنْ حَآجُّوكَ فَقُلْ أَسْلَمْتُ وَجْهِيَ لِلّهِ وَمَنِ اتَّبَعَنِ وَقُل لِّلَّذِينَ أُوْتُواْ الْكِتَابَ وَالْأُمِّيِّينَ أَأَسْلَمْتُمْ فَإِنْ أَسْلَمُواْ فَقَدِ اهْتَدَواْ وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْاْ فَإِنَّمَا عَلَيْكَ الْبَلاَغُ وَاللّهُ بَصِيرٌ بِالْعِبَادِ

    If they debate with you, then Say: “I have surrendered myself to God, as well as those who follow me.” And say to those who have received the Scripture and the Gentiles: “Have you surrendered?” If they have surrendered then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is watcher over the servants. (3:20)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=20

    وَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ مَنْ إِن تَأْمَنْهُ بِقِنطَارٍ يُؤَدِّهِ إِلَيْكَ وَمِنْهُم مَّنْ إِن تَأْمَنْهُ بِدِينَارٍ لاَّ يُؤَدِّهِ إِلَيْكَ إِلاَّ مَا دُمْتَ عَلَيْهِ قَآئِمًا ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُواْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْنَا فِي الأُمِّيِّينَ سَبِيلٌ وَيَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللّهِ الْكَذِبَ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ

    And from among the people of the Scripture are those whom if you entrust him with a large amount he gives it back to you, and there are those whom if you entrust with one gold coin he will not return it to you unless you are standing over him. That is because they said: “We have no obligation towards the Gentiles.” They say about God lies while knowing.(3:75)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=75

    This entails that at the time the Quran was revealed, the People of the Scripture were those who already had Scriptures descended upon them (i.e Jews and Christians) and the Ummayan who were still not given a Holy Book (i.e the Muslims). Mohammed was thus an Ummayan since he before the Quran was amongst the Meccan society of whom the majority were still polytheists and had no Holy Book.

    هُوَ الَّذِي بَعَثَ فِي الْأُمِّيِّينَ رَسُولًا مِّنْهُمْ يَتْلُواْ عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُوا مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ

    He is the One who sent to the Gentiles a messenger from among themselves, to recite to them His revelations, and to purify them, and teach them the Scripture and the wisdom. And before this, they were clearly astray. (62:2)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=62&vid=2

    الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الْأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوبًا عِندَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنْجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ الْخَبَآئِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَالْأَغْلاَلَ الَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ فَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُواْ النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ أُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ

    “Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Injeel; he orders them to goodness, and deters them from evil, and he makes lawful for them the good things, and he forbids for them the evil, and he removes their burden and the shackles that are upon them. So those who believe in him, and honour him, and support him, and follow the light that was sent down with him; these are the successful.” (7:157)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=7&vid=157

    وَإِذْ أَخَذَ اللّهُ مِيثَاقَ النَّبِيِّيْنَ لَمَا آتَيْتُكُم مِّن كِتَابٍ وَحِكْمَةٍ ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ رَسُولٌ مُّصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ قَالَ أَأَقْرَرْتُمْ وَأَخَذْتُمْ عَلَى ذَلِكُمْ إِصْرِي قَالُواْ أَقْرَرْنَا قَالَ فَاشْهَدُواْ وَأَنَاْ مَعَكُم مِّنَ الشَّاهِدِينَ

    And when/if God took the prophets’ promise/covenant what/that what (E) I gave/brought you from a Book/Scripture and wisdom , then a messenger came to you confirming to/for what (is) with you, to believe with him/it (E) and you will give him/it victory/aid (E). He said: “Did you confess/acknowledge and you took/received on that My promise ?” They said: “We confessed/acknowledged .” He said: “So witness/testify and I am with you from the witnessing/testifying/present.” (3:81)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=81

    As to your second point, there are three possibilities as to whom this verse might be addressed, and I will give you reasons to eliminate each of these possible addressees, living us with only one possibility and that is that God is addressing the living followers of Prophets and Messengers prior to Mohamed and not followers of Mohamed.

    The first possibility is that this verse is addressing a covenant of Prophets. However, (3:81) is narrated in first person in the present suggesting that God is speaking directly to the current followers of the Prophets and Messengers prior to Mohamed. Along with the verse previous to it, (3:81) is a commanding order in the plural form ( َكُم ) and ( واُ ) in :

    ( لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ ) , ( لَمَا آتَيْتُكُم ), ( ثُمَّ جَاءَكُمْ )

    and therefore implies that God is ordering living people to do certain things

    ( لَتُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهِ وَلَتَنصُرُنَّهُ ) “to believe with him/it (E) and to give him/it victory/aid” .

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=3&vid=81

    ( آمَنُواْ بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُواْ النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ ) “believed with him and supported/aided him , and gave him victory/aid and followed the light which was descended with him” (7:157)

    http://www.openburhan.net/ob.php?sid=7&vid=157

    It is not logical to be addressing dead prophets for why then would He need the ordering and commanding tone? Also (3:80) asks this same group of people

    ( أَيَأْمُرُكُم بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ )” Would he order you to rejection after this, while you have surrendered? ” (3:80)

    if He had asked them to take these prophets and angels as gods( لاَ يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَن تَتَّخِذُوا ). Again, it is impossible that God is speaking to the prophets about the prophets.

    The second possibility is that God is addressing the followers of Mohamed at the time of descent of the Quran because most of them were Ummeyeen ( Gentiles )and God clearly differentiates between these two categories.This possibility is also eliminated because in (3:81) God says that a Messenger came that confirmed and authenticated what was already revealed in previous scriptures, i.e those revealed to the prophets and messengers before Mohamed. This can not be addressed to the Ummeyeen ( Gentiles ) since they had no previous Scriptures descended upon them.

    This leaves us with the third and last possibility which is that God is addressing the People of the previous Scriptures about what He had previously descended upon them. The whole verse coincides with this logic if one dissects and closely observes each of the verses surrounding (3:81).

  44. 50 Sarab
    January 5, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I consider these questions which were presented to “Muslim Scholars” in Chicago, to be beyond doubt prejudiced. The main questions which caught my eye to be very biased were; “Why are you so belligerent?”. Belligerent? since when have muslims been clasified as agressive and hostile?.
    Another question which was shockingly offensive was “Why do you insult and oppress women?”. I couldnt beleive that someone so arrogant and stupid can possibly write these questions and be allowed to present them to the Muslim scholars. Was this person trying to imply that every Muslim insults and oppresses women?. I am a happily married woman with 3 children and i have never in my life been insulted or opressed by my MUSLIM husband. And that question which stated “Why do you force women to cover their hair?” no muslims force their women to cover their hair, the women choose to cover their own hair so that they arent harrased like non covering women, to prevent being hit on,whistled at,followed and much more. Also the quran states that women are not to be forced to cover their hair as they haveto make that decision for themselves or it is pointless. This is even presented in the bible stating that women must cover her head if she does not it is a shame upon her and she might as well shave all her hair off if she doesnt want to cover it. These questions are so intolerable that i am not even going to go through all the rest because im not even going to waste any more of my time with this ridiculousness.

    • 51 Yaqub
      November 30, 2010 at 9:28 am

      salam alaikum, they sounded thesame way to me also, but after a very long tym of continous reading of different issues, the question is rather directed to the hadith books, and since the scholars know this hadith books so well, they are in the best position to answer them. listen, a full practice of what the hadith book realy contains will show you the extent to wich the hadith books potray islam,majority of the sunnis are just hypocrites to thier holy Hadith books, coz they believe some parts and reject the very funny ones whhich in reality could be from a very authentic source, i think the problem should not be that you got angry with the question but get angry as to why the entire sahih hadith books is not fully upholded, but instead sect select choices from thesame hadith books to follow,Personally, i think hadith books meet the criteria of the book Allah described in the quran, as a book that contain whatev er you want, which may include Good and Bad things, so be very careful and pray to Allah for guidance. Masallam

  45. January 10, 2008 at 5:11 am

    Salaam Sarab,

    I wish you were right. Please check the official reports under the title of “Women” in these web sites.

    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78862.htm
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78852.htm
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78868.htm
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2006/78844.htm

    and so on…

    Of course there are numerous of exceptions in Muslim countries, however, as you indicated, if women choose not to cover their own hair “they are harrased, being hit on,whistled at,followed and much more.” These are all acts of insult and oppression.

    I wish I was terribly wrong.

  46. 53 j
    January 14, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    u people have no lifebut that ting at the top is good, but u still suck!!

  47. 54 hasan
    October 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    we dont force women too were the hijab they choose too. excpetialy maried women so it would not show attention or seem atractive

  48. 55 masood
    November 12, 2008 at 7:27 am

    I have started believing in truth about ISLAM in recent years.I first read about some teachings of MOHAMMAD(pbuh). I started getting up early in the morning to have a morning walk like Mohammad(pbuh). After four years, I underwent a medical check-up. An attendent on checkup duty got astonished because I was reading so fast even last alphabates in small size. Then, in NEW YORK, while working on gas filling station, my police friends would get astonish that how could I get car number from so distance running off without paying. I believe, that was due to following of teachings of Prophet(pbuh) i.e.morning walk and looking at greenary. I later found that scientific studies also confirm that greenary and green colour increases our eyesight. NOW, I starting following more actions of Prophet (pbuh) like his eating style, sleeping style and even sex style ( making sex almost two hours of eating but not empty belly).
    I observed clear difference and benefit in my life. My digestion system improved exteraordinary that Idon,t get stomach problem anymore. My bachache vanished which I had got during a sport called KABADDI. One thing I wanted to add that I believe in practical results as I have studied upto master degree in organic chamistry. I have been an ethiest upto 26 years but now, I strongly believe in ISLAM and actions of Prophet(pbuh).
    I experimented by changing my way of making sex like empty belly. In short, I found Prophet(pbuh) actions best of other ways even science is confirming today.
    Now, I COME TO POINT. Anyway, I could not find these practical actions without AHADITH. I completely agree with you Stephen that all Ahadith are not perfact. why don,t we do this that any Hadith on which almost all big sects of Muslims agree and make sense in accordance of QURAN, we should accept it instead rejecting all.
    Otherwise, how could nonmuslims attract to Islam If we don,t get enough knowledge from QURAN to lead life in the most perfact way. I give you few examples to understand my point of view.
    ONE nonmuslim studied about one Hadith and let his dog to drink water out of a bowl filled with water. He found germs in it. He examined under microscope each of the seven times after washing the bowl,the last germ, left after sixth time washing, was gone after washing 7th time.
    So, he converted to Islam.
    In short, plenty of Ahadith about Prophet(pbuh) proven by science have impressed a lot of scientific minded people and researchers throught scientific age.
    GOD knew everything about to happen after Mohammad(PBUH) death. If companions of Prophet(pbuh) didnot rejected AHADITH, we too. Only we need to be careful in their selection that should be based on a standardized way as mentioned above.
    Who knows that in confusion which was supposed to be happen due to MUNAFIKEENS, ALLAH wants to observe us that we remain stick to TRUE SUNNAH of his beloved Prophet( for whom every thing was created and who was told to every MESSENGER and PROPHET) or we put him on one side under devil organised enticing.
    May GOD bless us the true love of Holly Prophet(pbuh) and His Sunnah
    assalam-u-alaikum….

  49. 56 masood
    November 12, 2008 at 8:44 am

    I am holding Jewish scriptures and reading it to prove Jesus Christ as savior and Son of God.

    But jew brothers blame misinterpretation of thier Torah.

    Jehovah witness taught me that JESUS is the first born and was told by GOD to every messanger and prophet.

    I read in BIBLE GENESIS:22,God is making covanent to Abraham; “Oh Abraham through your OFFSPRING,I will forgive all nations.”

    I asked my landlord that God is clearly Saying that all nations[ADAM is making all nations i.e. Adam to last human] will be forgiven through one of Adam offspring, so where is the Son of God as the cause of our forgiveness.

    I asked my landlord,[ who even went to India for preaching],that at least MOSSAS must have been told to his nation about the SON OF GOD and ideology of Trinity[Father, Son and Holly Spirit].He said,yes,and quoted from Isiah:53:1-12.clearly talking about the sacrifice of JESUS.
    I asked,I am going to convert to Christenity if you clear me this last thing that is crucification of JESUS for our sins is being read by jew brothers with the same words and meanings? he got furstrated. Instead,giving me answer,he said” why are you urging on Old Testament”?Masood. I said,please, tell me truth but he just replied that
    it is his belief.[yes,I have cried for truth and enlightment to that supreme power who created everything ,human may give different names]

    so my conquest remained unaswered.

  50. 57 masood
    November 12, 2008 at 8:50 am

    I am holding Jewish scriptures and reading it to prove Jesus Christ as savior and Son of God.

    But jew brothers blame misinterpretation of thier Torah.

    Jehovah witness taught me that JESUS is the first born and was told by GOD to every messanger and prophet.

    I read in BIBLE GENESIS:22,God is making covanent to Abraham; “Oh Abraham through your OFFSPRING,I will forgive all nations.”

    I asked my landlord that God is clearly Saying that all nations[ADAM is making all nations i.e. Adam to last human] will be forgiven through one of Adam offspring, so where is the Son of God as the cause of our forgiveness.

    I asked my landlord,[ who even went to India for preaching],that at least MOSSAS must have been told to his nation about the SON OF GOD and ideology of Trinity[Father, Son and Holly Spirit].He said,yes,and quoted from Isiah:53:1-12.clearly talking about the sacrifice of JESUS.
    I asked,I am going to convert to Christenity if you clear me this last thing that is crucification of JESUS for our sins is being read by jew brothers with the same words and meanings? he got furstrated. Instead,giving me answer,he said” why are you urging on Old Testament”?Masood. I said,please, tell me truth but he just replied that
    it is his belief.[yes,I have cried for truth and enlightment to that supreme power who created everything ,human may give different names]

    so my conquest remained unaswered.

    “How could God forget to tell about his tri nature to all prophets and messengers or it was supposed to appear only after JESUS?”

    “why were priests in 325AD debating about the status of Jesus to come to conclusion that they should accept JESUS as fully GOD”
    Had they not been told clearly by Jesus? so important thing which is the basics of any scriptures.

    Thanks….

  51. March 21, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Assalamaliakum, and seriously… peace and blessings to you and your family bro,

    i read over this article a good number of times and gotta say i’ll use QUITE a few of these arguments in the near future… but out of all of it i just got one issue…

    you mention a good point about the 2nd comming of jesus, but couldnt one argue that if he does come back, then he’d come back to confirm what was taught? due to messups in islamic studies and teachings? (aka basically this entire article) by you putting this out there you technically are a MESSENGER… confirming truths in the quran… so jesus being brought back… the whole “nabi” vs “rasul” argument… no more prophets, just confirmations… so wouldnt you agree that jesus being who he was left to do god knows what would come back? and if he DID, he isnt bringing new scripture, he’s just going to Confirm whats being taught. you asked the question… how would we KNOW it was jesus… but you answered it… he’d fit those qualifications… where his “airport” is really just a matter of sitting back and seeing which one he arrives at lol. all these points are beautifully stated in your article, i just think a little room for “What ifs” are in order at this point. it could be argued that jesus’s supposed return could be justified by him finishing his role? he already came once, and left… now he’ll just be poping back in… a bagillion years later to pick up where he left off… so to speak lol.

    so how is that not correct? the POSSIBILITY… obviously this is trivial… but it leaves room for more wonder… its his STATUS as a messenger vs a prophet will change… and also once he’s been introduced as jesus the prophet, he doesent really loose his title, so by them saying “muhammad is the seal of the prophets” thats true… but it also means that even Noah could pop up out of nowhere to confirm the truth… its all a massive story, with remarkable literary elements. and jesus’s “2nd comming” would just be a determined thing… but it would be COMPLETELY irrelevant to the price of eggs. seeing as how as long as you follow the quran, and give all respects to GOD, and no one else… oh and by the way, the point u made about adding the prophet muhammad’s name to the prayer and all that…… SPOT ON SIR!!! i got super angry when i learned that the shiias added ALI to everything… then went a step further and asked my dad… wait a seccond… we added muhammad… why the hell cant they add ali? its bidah… or innovation.

    and breaking it down further, the whole concept of the organized prayer… was orginazation… the same orginazation we find in our everyday military… 90 percent of it came from the ways they “honored” their kings… and higher officials. some cultures stood at attention (*shiias way with hands by their side) and some stood at ease (the sunni’s way of placing their hands on their chests or stomach) do you have any idea how powerful of a scene during the battles they’d regroup, and all stand in formation, their enemies wondering what the hell they were doing… and they just dropped to their knees and prayed to someone bigger than what they were fighting for? it was a symbol of unification… and to this day mass numbers of muslims side by side… is a DAMN beautiful thing… but ultimately here is…this stuff is ALL trivial when it bottles down to the point… and that is..

    PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY MISSING THE DAMN POINT.

    i agreed with everything u researched… except for the 2nd comming thing… i think its a little slapped down hard. jesus COULD come back from wherever he went to finish his part in the story, or he will just dissapear forever… the bottom line is we dont have a death date for him like we do with everyone else… so him coming back, whether or not thats going to happen, is irrelevant.i just think an open mind is something you shouldnt close so quickly. its like you said… there is SOME truth in history… *like the 19 being in the old testament

    but as far as the 19 thing goes… it is amazing how it all works… you got the jews not believing their prophecies came true (aka jesus of nazereth)… and there we have the “muslims” not seeing the miracle that the quran TALKS about… and they are in such denial that they cant stop worrying about the DUMBEST THINGS (where do i place my hands when i pray? which do i do in a toilet, sit or stand?”). islam was a religion that came to adapt… since the beginning of time it bottles down to one big elemnt… dont be a dick… and that includes messing up the truth to fit your own personal needs. like a GOOD many of individuals in history are responsible for. the quran was saved… not eye whitness reports. and besides… even eye whitness reports are not valid anymore… now adays you gotta have video footage… and thats not even enough… the video could have been tampered with… its just a retarded system. that MIRACULOUSLY we all just follow blindy and not ask the questions… WHY? which in the FIRST PART OF OUR QURAN states that “This is a book of NO DOUBT” aka QUESTION IT, its ok. think outside the box… be open to ideas, but dont create laws… because if you break them you’ll be stuck circling your way around strategically placed rouses to get yourself back on track… when all your doing is trying to justify some sin you did when in reality its not a sin to begin with… so you just waste yours and god’s time. lol… anyway im done ranting.

    good job on the post man, im glad someone said it.

    its really time we stop this sunni shiia fighting thing and just get back to where it spawned from… unification.

    love bro,
    Adil

  52. 59 javed
    March 28, 2009 at 9:59 am

    That was a stepping stone that brother Edip Yuksel did by writing this book. That inspired me to to write some additional questions to Muslim Scholars. I call them MY JOKERS!

    A warning to Talmudic-Muslim THEOrist Mauritius or Mahaguru as your circumcised dogs call you.

    Spread as much falsehood and lies concerning us in your recorded meeting but be alert that anytime, anymoment, any place and anywhere, I’ll ask you questions before your puppet audience and see if you can answer me! We’ll see if in your DVD, you will edit and censor the questions posed to you by someone who has done up to School Certificate and has never sit for an Arabic Language exams for SC! Or will you have the courage to face your puppet audience if ever they came to know that you have not been able to refute me using historical facts, logic and evidence from the Quran!

    Please so much treats that I have received won’t stop me from fighting for the truth. I WELCOME DEATH!

    Regards
    Javed from Mauritius
    quranalone[AT]rocketmail[DOT]com

  53. April 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    This article is really enlightening.

    One question to the author- What do you think on the distinction between “nabi” and “rasul”? Do those two words imply the same thing?

  54. April 11, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    This article is really enlightening.

    One question to the author- What do you think on the distinction between “nabi” and “rasul”? Do those two words imply the same thing?

  55. 62 Javed
    April 12, 2009 at 9:41 am

    The Quran indicates an important difference in the role and definition of prophets and messengers. I suggest you to go to that link and read the article: Difference between ‘Prophet’ and ‘Messenger’.

    Regards
    javed from Mauritius

  56. June 25, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    what the h e l l is this website about and who is the @$$ hole who crated it I almost fell asleep reading the first line!. this website bites…………………HARD ……….wack jobs

  57. 64 anon
    August 22, 2009 at 8:21 am

    well the haram-ing of gold is said to be of the “chargers”(+, +2, +3) electrons present in it… SO IT IS HARMFUL TO ALL HUMAN…. but women has this menstruation phase and men don’t, so naturally women can discard or expel the tainted and harmful blood and men cannot(unless he can menstruate LOL)… so whaddaya say? following a DR. who claims he’s a prophet??… following THE SCRIPTURE from the SEAL of PROPHETS(LAST PROPHET) then CLAIMS himself to be A PROPHET!!! MONSTROUS BLASPHEMY!!…. FOLLOWING a SOURCE FROM THE LAST PROPHET & NOT FOLLOWING THE PROPHET’S SUNNA’!!…

  58. 65 Muin Sarguroh
    August 24, 2009 at 4:08 am

    Hello whosoever created this website,
    Answer the following questions:
    1) did Jesus alive or dead??If you say No then when he will die??becoz Quran say (Qullu nafsin zaikatul maut)..If yes then when ;on the cross that the chritian belief…..

    2) On whom Quran revelead Prophet Muhammed or Rashid Khalifa??Ha ha ha ..

    3) How to pray saalt was shown by prophet muhammed ;its no where written in Quran???

    4) Pls explain the meaning of the quranic verse (atiullah atiurrasool.)

    5)If Muhammed is the last prophet then how come jesus will be back?? Well Muhammed is the the last prophet with final message “QURAN”; and yes jesus will come back to fulfill quranic verse (qullunafsun zaikatul maut)..

    any answers to above questions…

    • 66 Kamal Pasha
      March 24, 2010 at 3:05 am

      Salam ,

      first of all i dont mean to offend any one in here , before i answer your questions, i want to add some thing , i;e do you find Quran Incomplete, Not detailed , not Perfect ?
      where as allah says Quran is Detailed, complete, Perfect , Nothing is left out of Glorious Quran

      – Allah has called the Quran “Tibyaanan li Kulli Shaiyin (16:89)”. This means it explains everything.

      – [6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.

      – [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

      – [11:1] Alif.Laam.Raa. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected, then elucidated. It comes from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.

      lets proceed to your first Question stated as follows

      1) did Jesus alive or dead??If you say No then when he will die??becoz Quran say (Qullu nafsin zaikatul maut)..If yes then when ;on the cross that the chritian belief…..

      21:34 We have never granted everlasting life to any human before you. If you die, can they be immortal?

      3:144 Remember that Muhammad is only a Messenger. The Messengers before him have passed on. So, if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels?

      Note 3:144 which says “…..The Messengers Before Him Have Passed On …. ”

      also ponder on the starightforward Verse 21:34 , which says ” ANY HUMAN BEFORE YOU ”

      Do you single out Prophet Essa as Non Human ?

      21:8 We gave them not bodies that won’t require food, nor were they immortal.

      None were Immortals, this second comming of Prophet Essa came into being Celearly after the death of Prophet Muhammed Notye the words in 3:144 ” if he died or were slain, would you turn about on your heels ? ”

      The word Raf’a means honoring or exalting. “Nowhere in the Quran is there any warrant for the popular belief that God has taken up Jesus bodily into heaven.”

      2) On whom Quran revelead Prophet Muhammed or Rashid Khalifa??Ha ha ha ..

      we never Question that Quran wasnt revealed on Prophet Muhammed , we are Certain that Quran was Revealed to Prophet Muhammed , but perhaps you dont understand the difference between Nabi and Rasool !

      [Quran 10:20] They say, “How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?” Say, “The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you.”

      kindly ponder on the above verse and also 3:81 !

      [3:81] GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, “I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him.” He said, “Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?” They said, “We agree.” He said, “You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you.”

      if you may believe that this Verse singles out Prophet Muhammed then you must believe that Muhammed was Not a Prophet because the verse Says ” Prophets ” . and we know Muhammed was a Prophet , therefore this Verse DOES NOT Single out Muhammed .

      3) How to pray saalt was shown by prophet muhammed ;its no where written in Quran???

      now this is very interesting question and favorite of hadithists .

      this question again exposes your disbelief in Glorious Quran that it is Not Complete, Detailed, Perfect
      why question Integrity of Scripture and Allah ? did Allah run out of words, or did Allah send us incomplete Scripture ? what a disbelief what a Blasphemy ,
      any way , 1.4 Million ahadith were collected by bukhary and company , NOT A SINGLE HADITH IS IN THEIR BOOK WHICH TEACHES YOU STEP BY STEP METHOD OF PERFORMING SALAT , NOT A SINGLE HADITH MY FRIEND !! now the question is How do you perform salat when it is NOT Mentioned in your hadith books !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quranistsonline/message/3437

      visit the above link to know where can you find salat in Glorious Quran !
      the artical is by me .

      4) Pls explain the meaning of the quranic verse (atiullah atiurrasool.)

      This brings us to the most important question of all: Are obeying Allah and obeying the Prophet two separate duties; one through the Quran and the other through hadith?

      As we have seen, the system our Prophet established was based on the laws of the Quran i.e. when people obeyed the Prophet, they actually obeyed Allah (4:80) because the Prophet (PBUH) used to judge all matters according to the Book of Allah (5:48). So, what is the meaning of “Atee-‘ullah –wa- Atee-‘ur-Rasool” (obey Allah and obey Rasool)? Since there are more than twenty verses in the Quran on this topic, its importance cannot be overemphasized. For example:

      “Yaa ayyuhal lazheena aamanu atee’ullaha wa attee’ur Rsoolahu wa laa tawallau ‘anho wa antum tasma’oon” [O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him while you are hearing.] (8:20)

      In this verse the pronoun used for Allah and the Messenger is singular (‘anho). If the reference had been to two separate obediences then, according to Arabic grammar, the pronoun should have been ‘anhuma (for two).

      The Most Misunderstood Word is RASOOL , My Dear Friend , A Messenger DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT MESSAGE .

      The Divine Message of Allah i;e Al-Quran is The Message which Prophet Proclaimed .

      hadith books CAN NOT AND DO NOT MAKE A PERSON RASOOL OF ALLAH , Period .

      5)If Muhammed is the last prophet then how come jesus will be back?? Well Muhammed is the the last prophet with final message “QURAN”; and yes jesus will come back to fulfill quranic verse (qullunafsun zaikatul maut)..

      5:3 This Day, I have perfected your DEEN for you, completed My favor upon you, and chosen for you Islam as the System of Life.

      Deen Is Complete , Essa did His Part of Duty assigned to Him by Allah Rahman .

      rest is explained above to your question Regarding Prophet Essa.

      yes by your belief , Prophet Essa will be The Last Prophet to exit this world , which would make him the Last Prophet , contradicting 33:40

      [33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger of GOD and the final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.

      by the way Allah has put up a question to you , who believe manmade hadith books

      [77:49] Woe on that day to the rejectors.

      [77:50] Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?

      what answer do you have to the 77:50 !!

      Thats the Question .

  59. 67 javed
    August 24, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Salaam Muin Sarguroh

    4) Pls explain the meaning of the quranic verse (atiullah atiurrasool.)

    http://www.free-minds.org/obeygod2

  60. 68 Kamal Pasha
    March 24, 2010 at 3:07 am

    This brings us to the most important question of all: Are obeying Allah and obeying the Prophet (PBUH) two separate duties; one through the Quran and the other through hadith?

    As we have seen, the system our Prophet established was based on the laws of the Quran i.e. when people obeyed the Prophet, they actually obeyed Allah (4:80) because the Prophet used to judge all matters according to the Book of Allah (5:48). So, what is the meaning of “Atee-‘ullah –wa- Atee-‘ur-Rasool” (obey Allah and obey Rasool)? Since there are more than twenty verses in the Quran on this topic, its importance cannot be overemphasized. For example:

    “Yaa ayyuhal lazheena aamanu atee’ullaha wa attee’ur Rsoolahu wa laa tawallau ‘anho wa antum tasma’oon” [O you who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him while you are hearing.] (8:20)

    In this verse the pronoun used for Allah and the Messenger is singular (‘anho). If the reference had been to two separate obediences then, according to Arabic grammar, the pronoun should have been ‘anhuma (for two).

  61. 69 Muin
    May 19, 2010 at 3:26 am

    read Quran properly..
    When God said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 3:55)

    In above it clearly says that you will all return to Me???
    This clarifies that Jesus will come back on the earth again..

  62. 70 javed
    May 19, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Salaam Muin, you quoted

    read Quran properly..
    When God said: “Jesus, I will take you back and raise you up to Me, and purify you of those who are unbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are unbelievers until the Day of Resurrection. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed. (Surah Al ‘Imran, 3:55)

    In above it clearly says that you will all return to Me???
    This clarifies that Jesus will come back on the earth again..

    My response

    Why don’t you check the Arabic text, most Sunnis don’t translate the verb mutawafikka, meaning will cause you to die. Mutawafika has MIM, WAW and TH, ie, the verb mawt, meaning die. There is a condition, Jesus will die first then GOD will raise his soul.

    Also check surah 5 verse 117, you will see that after Jesus’s death, people called him Son of God!

    Check Surah 19 verse 31, Surah 21 verse 8.

    Also, Jesus came for the Children of Israel not for mankind (Naas). While the Quran is for humanity, it calls upon mankind(Naas).

    Regards
    Javed
    from Mauritius
    mrumonotheists[at]gmail[DOT]com

  63. 71 Muin
    September 18, 2010 at 7:22 am

    Javed,
    You have not read 4:157 and 158.

    Allah clearly says ..they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Allah raised him up unto Himself..

    Above verses clarifies;the word mutawafikka is not used.It says in very simple language they kill him not and it appeared them and next verse immediately say we raised him(raf’an)..

    Do you believe that Jesus died there which is against teachings of Quran..

  64. 72 Muin
    September 18, 2010 at 7:55 am

    Kamal Pasha ,Javed..
    1)(3:81) says Muhammed a messenegr will come to confirm all previous scriptures.It clearly says Muhammed is a Messenger..whats the problem.

    2)I think you have not read (4:59) which says..O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you.Can you tell who are these peopel of authority and what they have taught..
    4:59 clearly says obey Allah,Meseneger and those charges with authority its a simple sentence there should not be any confusion.
    If you say there is no need for hadith then can you tell me which are the 4 sacred months in which war is prohibited as it is not mentioned in quran.(9:36)..

    3)Again.. Salawaat is mentioned in quran(Ahzab33:56)can you expalin how to send blessings on Muhammed(SAWS)..

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