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“And kill them wherever you find them…” (Quran 2:191)
The above part of a verse has been duplicated in countless sites and many publications to be used as a testimony for the ‘violence’ and cruelty that is encouraged by the words of the Quran…
In this article, we will dispel the myths surrounding warfare in the Quran and show exactly ‘what’ the GOD of Submission (Islam) teaches.
1. Fighting is only allowed against Aggression or Persecution.
“You may fight in the cause of GOD those who fight you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors. (2:190)
“They question you with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of GOD, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with GOD; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And he who becomes renegade and dies in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.” (2:217)
Contrary to the wishes of many who would rather picture Islam as a warmongering system, the Quran does not allow warfare except in ’self-defense’.
“And kill them where you find them, and evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you therein. If they fight you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those who disbelieve. (2:191)
Look again at that fearful verse used at the beginning of this article…
Well, it happens to be a direct continuation from 2:190 where people are told to fight is self defense. We are allowed to fight and kill those who fight and kill us, and to evict them from where they evicted us…Sanctuary is given at the Holy Shrine, however, this is not-valid if they continue to fight at this sacred location.
2. Deterrence is the key.
“You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice. (8:60)
The Quran is a book of life, and a book of wisdom. The above verse encourages a strategy of displaying forces and making sure everyone is aware of them. This is usually the best deterrent to avoid warfare and makes those with ill intentions think twice about beginning a war or attacking out of feeling superior.
3. Military Service is Encouraged.
“Warfare has been ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. GOD knows, but you do not know.” 2:216
“O you prophet, you shall exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty of you who are steadfast, they can defeat two hundred, and a hundred of you can defeat a thousand of those who disbelieved. That is because they are people who do not understand. (8:65)
To make it clear from the beginning, Islam as a system invites people to stand ready to fight at all times…The Quran does not adapt a ‘walk-away’ attitude, but puts aggressors down from the beginning and demands its followers to be aware of such responsibilities.
4. Fighting is allowed to defend other believers.
“…As for those who believe, but do not emigrate with you, you do not owe them any support, until they do emigrate. However, if they seek your help, as brethren in faith, you shall help them, except against people with whom you have signed a peace treaty. GOD is Seer of everything you do. (8:72)
“And why should you not fight in the cause of God and the weak and oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors. And give us from You, a protector. And give us from You, a helper” (4:75).
Believers who are attacked may seek help and military action may be used in these cases. The exception is clearly if a treaty exists with the country/people who are housing them and the conditions of such treaty has not been broken (see 9:1-15 for dealing with broken treaties).
5. The concept of ‘Jihad’.
“And strive (Jahidu) in the cause of GOD as it deserves striving (Jihad)” (22:78)
Jihad is thought of in the West and even in some Islamic circles as ‘Holy War’. In-fact, the word as per its usage in GOD’s holy book means ‘To Strive’:
“But the messenger and those with him strove/jahadu with thier money and their lives..” (9″88)
“GOD has preferred those who strive/mujahideen with thier money and thier lives over those who sat…” (4:95)
Even your parents can ’strive’ against you:
“And if they strive/jahadaak that you set-up partners with Me that which you hav no knoledge of, do not obey them..” (29:8, 31:15)
Obviously your parents are not doing a ‘holy war’ against you.
6. Equivalence in warfare is the rule.
“…if you are attacked, then you shall attack by the same equivalence. And reverence GOD and know that GOD is with the righteous” (2:194)
“And if you punish, you shall inflict an equivalent punishment. But if you resort to patience (instead of revenge), it would be better for the patient ones. (16:26)
This is the law for equivalence. If 100 of your soldiers are killed, then a maximum 100 of the enemies soldiers may be killed…You cannot kill more than has been killed with you, and if you hold-off and are not quick to seek revenge, then it is always better.
7. Desertion is not advisable.
“O you who believe, if you encounter the disbelievers who have mobilized against you, do not turn back and flee. Anyone who turns back on that day, except to carry out a battle plan, or to join his group, has incurred wrath from GOD, and his abode is Hell; what a miserable destiny! (8:15-16)
Although there is no law against desertion from the battle field, those who believe in GOD would not be very smart to do so as the consequences are related to the after-life.
8. Prisoners of War.
“… Some of them you killed, and some you took captive. (33:26)
“O you prophet, tell the prisoners of war in your hands, “If GOD knew of anything good in your hearts, He would have given you better than anything you have lost, and would have forgiven you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.” (8:70)
In the laws of GOD, prisoners can be taken during warfare and held until such time as there release is possible. Prisoners are neither to be killed nor tortured…these are not practices which have any legitimacy.
9. Spoils of War.
“They consult you about the spoils of war. Say, “The spoils of war belong to GOD and the messenger.” You shall observe GOD, exhort one another to be righteous, and obey GOD and His messenger, if you are believers. (8:1)
“He made you inherit their land, their homes, their money, and lands you had never stepped on. GOD is in full control of all things. (33:27)
Spoils of war belong to the state to be distributed as per the Quranic requirements (orphans, needy. etc..). The land and goods of enemies is confiscated in these battles.
10. Warfare is stopped if the other party ceases.
“If they refrain, then GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.” (2:192)
“If they seek peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. (8:61)
This is the GOD of Submission…A GOD who only allows violence when it is carried out against a person, and is quick to call for peace once the violence is ended.
There can be no justification for war and killing to continue simply because it was started by means of aggression…
11. Payment of Compensation (Jizya).
“You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the system of truth-among those who received the scripture-until they pay the penalty, willingly or unwillingly.” (9:29)
Sura 9 deals with the breaking of treaties and warfare. The penalty for those who have have broken the law and have fought against the believers is to pay ‘compensation’ for their action.
Reconciliation of Believers.
“If two groups of believers fought with each other, you shall reconcile them. If one group aggresses against the other, you shall fight the aggressing group until they submit to GOD’s command. Once they submit, you shall reconcile the two groups equitably. You shall maintain justice; GOD loves those who are just.” (49:9)
Although this does not deal with warfare directly, it lays the ground for what to do when two groups of believers fight.
Final Reminder.
“…anyone who kills any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he killed all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people…” (5:32)
Thank you making clear the facts about jihad, Samy.
I think, in this age, the most emerged JIHAD for Muslims is supposed to be first against themselves, against their lack of knowledge and education, against their poverty and inability of to control their own lands and sources, against their own governments, against their blindness and acute denial towards universal values which are stated in the Qur’an, etc.
“…anyone who kills any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he killed all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people…” (5:32)
UGH! UGH!
And where is the rest of this verse
ME SMELL DOUBLE SPEACH
its the punishment for those who make war on God and His apostle (at his time), and endeavor to spread corruption on earth,
except those who repent before you overpower them.
any political system of any country will allow it’s army to take the same actions towards it’s enemy under war conditions .
This is a well constructed and informative article. Thank you. I am going to use this is my offline life as well. I have been thinking about justice issues recently and I wonder there is a case for firstly, ensuring safety of a community; secondly bringing person(s) who have harmed to justice: thirdly recompensing loss. However it seems to me that justice is defined by the (state’s) ability to judge that a person(s) have reformed from their harmful behaviour, or are likely to re-harm. For in the latter case, the first criteria applies. The third criteria applies as a relation of the State and the victims, regardless of the State’s ability to bring perpetrators to Justice. Somehow, I think if we could mobilise thinking around Justice, rather than revenge or the pre-emptive fear, on which many State’s and a lot of people are basing their responses.
thank you Owen,
Thank you
Now can you explain, what is to “spread corruption on earth”
To violate the others rights, in life, in wealth, in honor or in security,
One should be punished according to his crime against the individuals, or according to his deeds, not his belief.
The society has the right to judge you if you violate its peace and security. The peace and the security of the society mean the peace and security of all his members. But the society or any human authority has no right to judge any one in the realm of belief and thoughts. This belongs to the One God alone in the day of resurrection.
The Islamic peaceful state has the right to defend itself when another state attacks it; it has the right to retaliate equivalently, but not to start fight against the others. God says
If they attack you, you may attack them to inflict an equivalent retribution.’[2:194]
To maintain peace in front of the enemy, the Islamic peaceful State should have a strong army. Once it has such a strong army, the Aggressor State will refrain from attacking the peaceful strong Islamic State.
If the enemy asks for peace, the Islamic state should respond to the peace, trusting in God alone. [8:60-62] this means the strong army here is to keep peace, and to prevent the bloodshed of the human beings, including those of the aggressor state itself.
thank you
Thank you once again
I am sorry, but I asked where is the rest of verse (5.32) that you have missed out
Or are you mixing the koran with the jewish The Jewish Mishna teaches that :
whoever destroys one life is regarded by the Torah as if he has destroyed a whole world; and whoever saves one life, is regarded as if he has saved a whole world.
Now according to the Koran, Muhammad did not deny that Allah had said this but explained that it did not apply to killing non-Jewish infidels.
Muhammad said that Allah said: (Koran 5.32)
32. That is why We decreed for the children of Israel that whosoever kills a human being, except (as punishment) for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it shall be like killing all humanity; and whosoever saves a life, saves the entire human race. Our apostles brought clear proofs to them; but even after that most of them committed excesses in the land.
You like wise the Muslims quote only part 5.32 out of context to show that Islam is a benevolent religion.
Taking this verse out of context in this way is extremely deceptive since the only reason that verse is in the Koran is to justify killing and maiming Jewish infidels.
Now that we have the full verse, it throws a diffeent light onto what is meant as “corruption in the land
So what is corruption in the land in the islamic context
I asked where is the rest of this verse (5:32)
Yet you did not give any explaination as to why you left ut most of the verse, so here it is below
[5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
Kind of changes things
I asked you also, what is to “spread corruption on earth”
Sorry but I should have aked you what “spread corruption in the land in islamic context
5:32. For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
5:32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
I see no changes, could you explain what your concern is about the rest of the ayath?
“Spreading corruption on earth”, I am trying to make brain storming in here, there is supposed to be a continued(1) wrongful(2) act(3) with full intention(4) to make the thing(5) in wrong way without any sense of responsibility(6) how his/her act harms(7) others, I assume.
Would you like to add anything?
Peace,
i agree and i think i have illustrated my view on the bigger picture, and im not hiding any verses
http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/war-in-the-quran/#comment-914
it was already there, it seems that he didn’t want to read
The story of the two sons of Adam
God told the Children of Israel not to kill a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land.
many of them (not all) are, after this, still corrupting on the Earth.
The recompense of those who
is that they will be
Except for those who repent before you overpower them.
Your Translation of 5.32 is wrong
In fact it is not from the Koran but from, The Message which is A
Modern Literal Translation of the Quran
The Message: God’s Revelation to Humanity (Paperback)
ProgressiveMuslims.Org
Please what happened to my previous post.
Lying and deceit does not help to win respect
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/16/blogging-the-quran
So Stefan
If moslems are demanding respect then telling the truth can go a long way in helping.
first of all, i speak arabic and i find most translations inaccurate because they are built up to support hadith .
i find this translation the most accurate, and the closest to the original arabic text.
the discussion is about the war in the quran so we have to analyze the arabic text and it’s meanings .
this is not true ( يُحَارِبُونَ) is not reject .
(كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم) = many of them (not all)
( يُحَارِبُونَ) is fighting (in war), taken from ( حَرِبَُ) = war.
its not jews .
only the jews or anyone (even muslim) who fights God and His messenger (War), and
seeks to make corruption in the land (not the Jews) without repenting (and not converting). (َ الَّذِينَ تَابُوا) = those who repent, and not those who accept Mohamed,Quran or Islam.
those who repent from their aggression or corruption in the lands are forgiven.
and how will you explain the Golden age of the Jewish culture in the Iberian Peninsula during the Muslim rule of the Iberian Peninsula ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_the_Iberian_Peninsula
if what you are saying is correct then how did they survive without being killed ?
please send back any missing posts, if its not there then probably it was gone by mistake.
i did not delete anything.
peace
You are wrong Shiva.
You cannot expect from us to rely on sayings of a Muslim enemy of the Islam and a non-Muslim enemy of the Islam, right?
This is megalomany: “He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.”
And this is open hostility towards Muslims: “The supposedly noble sentiments are in fact a warning to Jews. ‘Behave, or else’ is the message. Far from abjuring violence, these verses aggressively point out that anyone opposing the Prophet will be killed, crucified, mutilated, and banished!”
None of the interpretation of 5:32 either literally or figuratively gives those ‘ill’ statements. In fact, since Muslims are also bind by what Jews or Christians are told, and 5:32 is especially repeating what they were told about the specific subject which is ‘murder’ same ayath is going to be applied on those Muslims as well: If a Muslim who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if that Muslim/or Muslims has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people.” Our messengers had come to them with clarification, but many of those Muslims are, after this, still corrupting on the Earth.
In sum, 5:32 is in fact an open warning to Muslims in the Qur’an.
May Allah help you to understand well.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Turkey
Peace,
Stephan
first of all, i speak arabic and i find most translations inaccurate because they are built up to support hadith .
the discussion is about the war in the quran so we have to analyze the arabic text and it’s meanings .
So you can speak arabic,so what
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/002953.html
So for the very large majority of english speaking muslims they use the translations by by moslem translators:- Marmaduke Pickthall, M. H. Shakir, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al Hilali, Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Asad, and Ahmed Raza Khan.
Your version is taken from, THE MESSAGE that is authored Proggressive Muslims Org which they also published
The MESSAGE is just another version of Rashad Khalifa’s The Qur’an: The Final Scripture.
And we know what happened to Rashad Khalifa, he caused corruption in the land, in the context Islam and of verse 5.32, and was executed according to verse 5.33
There is enough evidence that anything that muslims percieve as an insult to Islam is an act of war.
Danish/Swedish Cartoons
Alleged desecration of the koran
Sir Salman Rushdie affair
Beauty Contests
If a Muslim who kills a person who has not committed murder,
No matter how I look at this it does not make any sense, unless killing a Jew or a non-believer is not murder, there-fore a muslim is excused of the punishments mentioned in V 5.33
In sum, 5:32 is in fact an open warning to Muslims in the Qur’an.
If that is the case then why does the verse begin with On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel and not We ordained for the believers.
Corruption in the land, or corruption/mischief on earth, is a huge category of offenses, violent or non-violent, that significantly go against Islam.
These crimes vary widely, including, for a few examples, criticizing or calling for changes in Islamic traditions; practicing “sorcery”; engaging in “charlatanism”; sex between a non-Moslem man and a moslem woman; highway robbery; destruction of buildings; and terrorism against moslems, and making cartoons of mohammed..
You are wrong Shiva.
You cannot expect from us to rely on sayings of a Muslim enemy of the Islam and a non-Muslim enemy of the Islam, right?
If I am wrong why did you get so upset at the mention of Sa‘id bin Jubayr
Is it because he was a Shia Moslem, who was beheaded or spreading corruption in the land
Now there,s a lovely war for you Shias and Sunni.1300 years a still going strong..
Now before we start debating Jews in Spain or Turkey, shall we debate the Jews that where in the Arabian Penninsular, shall we start the debate with Ibn Ishaq,s description the killing of the Banu Qurayza men as follows:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Jews/BQurayza/banu3.html
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/01/al-maidah5.html
what about the non-english speakers ?
you are saying nonsense …
we study the quran in school in arabic .
the quran wanted the jews to be more peaceful,
Leviticus 20
Punishments for Sin
i’m not saying that muslims are better than jews or christians but you cannot put all the negatives recorded in the history of the muslims to explain that what in the quran is dangerous and aggressive.
“Hitler and Mussolini” can we say, Christians are killers and terrorists ?
i dont believe so but some muslims do, exactly like what you are doing.
If the Qur’an is intended to only be properly understandable in Arabic, why do Muslims ranslate it into English?
for the non-arabic speakers but every translator has a different choice of words that might be wrong sometimes in certain words.
the bible is in hebrew and greek, why is it translated to english ?
therefore we must look at the original to know the real meanings
in a case such as the above, we can see different translations,
how will you know if im mistranslating ?
you have to see the original
What about the non-english speakers
No problem since there have been translations of the Koran into, for instance, Persian since the tenth or eleventh century, and there are translations into Turkish and Urdu.
A translation from Latin into Hebrew was made in the seventeenth century by Jacob b. Israel ha Levi, Rabbi of Zante (died 1634). In modern times a translation was made into Hebrew by Heripann Reckendorf and printed at Leipzig, in 1857.
the quran wanted the jews to be more peaceful,
Not only the Jews but anbody else who did not conform to Allahs/Mohammeds wishes
I fail to see what Leviticus 20, Punishments for Sin has to do with WAR IN THE QURAN
it has nothing to do with war in the quran
it shows that
the death penalty is their as a punishment without
killing anyone without being involved in murder or corruption is corruption.
this is what the quran is talking about in verse 5:32
A translation from arabic to any language is made for the non-arabic speakers of that language .
Arabs use the original arabic and not the translation as you have just said two comments ago
Arabs use the original arabic and not the translation as you have just said two comments ago
Excuse me, but arabs are not using the original arab, they are using modern interpretations.
Interesting to know which interpretation you use.
the arabic words are the same, our understanding is not
we use the arabic quran not modern interpretations.
you cannot assume that all arabs are the same and using the same thing.
i use my modern brain like any interpreter
So, if the Qur’an is read by more non-Arabic speaking people than Arabic ones, and there are many interpretations within the Arabic translations and English ones as well, who is the defining authority on the interpretation?
This is supposedly God’s word after all, isn’t it?
you have to study it by yourself to understand
It sounds a bit ambiguous to me then. If no one truly can interpret and understand it’s meaning except God, then it appears that each own’s interpretation is valid and justifiable.
If that is true, how can some make the claim that the jihadists are misinterpreting the Qur’an and “true” Islam itself?
God and those who are well founded in knowledge and believing that it is all from God.
our knowledge is different from the knowledge of the people in the past.
we use the arabic quran not modern interpretations.
Modern Arabic or Ancient Arabic
So now you are trying to say that arabs use the ancient versions, next you will be teling us that all arabs also use the same un altered koran
What ever! it still does not alter the fact that the article above is using only a part of verse 5.32, which is very misleading.
And then you use Rashad Khalifa’s The Qur’an: The Final Scripture. a quote, which is from
http://19.org/km/RK/5
Very ironic that he was murdered for not understanding 5:32-33
Now I have established you are using Rashad Khalifa’s Qur’an makes things more clear, that the above article is very deceptive.
The article starts with 2:191
“You may fight in the cause of GOD those who fight you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.(Rashad Khalifa)
Kalifa has changed transgress to aggress thus changing the context of the verse
Transgress “break a law”; “break a promise” commit a sin; violate a law of God or a moral law
Aggress attack: take the initiative and go on the offensive
“Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.”
http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.
asp?nType=1&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=2&nAya=190&t=eng
So just changing the text slightly things look very different indeed
Here we go again
8:60
“You shall prepare for them all the power you can muster, and all the equipment you can mobilize, that you may frighten the enemies of GOD, your enemies, as well as others who are not known to you; GOD knows them. Whatever you spend in the cause of GOD will be repaid to you generously, without the least injustice. (Rashad Khalifa)
See the difference
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
Now this is interesting
Above Sukran Says:
September 24th, 2007 at 5:14 am
You are wrong Shiva.
You cannot expect from us to rely on sayings of a Muslim enemy of the Islam and a non-Muslim enemy of the Islam, right?”
Now the above article is based on Rashad Khalifa,s Quoran
So how can you go rely on sayings of a Muslim enemy of the Islam
Rashad Khalifa (November 19, 1935 – January 31, 1990) was an Egyptian biochemist who became a US citizen and took residence in Tucson, Arizona. Khalifa was stabbed to death on January 31st, 1990.
He is a false Messenger, an apostate, the Anti-Christ and infidel as regarded by the entire Islamic world
His writings were banned in many Muslim countries. Muslim scholars likened his numerology to Jewish and Christian gematria. The Muslim Digest, published in South Africa, strongly attacked Khalifa as a sinister heretic.
He removed two verses from the Qur’an, the last two of the ninth chapter in order to get his calculations to work. He claimed that they were added nineteen years after the death of Muhammad. Some have claimed that the removal of these verses is in contradiction to the Qur’an itself, including the following verse:
[15:9] We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).
This is a more reliable source than Rashad Khalifa,s Quoran
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Endowments, Da‘wah and Guidance http://quran.al-islam.com/Targama/DispTargam.asp?nType=1&nSora=2&nAya=190&nSeg=1&l=eng&t=eng
Shiva,
Yes, Khalifa’s version of the Qur’an cannot be considered mainstream in any way, shape or form. His revelation of the last two verses in the ninth sura was required in an attempt to prove the Qur’an’s divinity by unignorable mathematical correlations.
(تَعْتَدُوا) and (ِالْمُعْتَدِي) have the same root for me the correct meaning is assault.
i don’t really care about what you have just said about different translations and rashad khalifa and the Islamic world.
The word (تُرْهِبُونَ) = to cause fear , there is no terror in the hearts.
again this verse is only under war conditions and not for individuals attack civilians as enemies .
And rashad khalifa’is not an enemy of islam even if he was a false messenger, the ones who killed him are enemies of islam.
<”If a Muslim who kills a person who has not committed murder,”
<No matter how I look at this it does not make any sense, unless killing a Jew or a non-<believer is not murder, there-fore a muslim is excused of the punishments mentioned in V 5.33
<”In sum, 5:32 is in fact an open warning to Muslims in the Qur’an.”
<If that is the case then why does the verse begin with On that account: We ordained for the
Qur’an uses various or methods to teach, remind, and warn its reader, for example calling attention indirectly by recalling what had been said to other people of the Book. In this verse Allah prefers to warn believers by using an indirect method. If we agree today’s Muslims are doing something wrong as the other people of the Book, than I see no reason why you refuse to see that the same ayath is a reminder today’s Muslims who murder thousands of innocent people- who has not committed murder or has not spread mischief in the land- in the name of Islam.
If you believe today’s Muslims are nothing other than PERFECT Qur’an followers, than you are right, 5:32 cannot be for the Muslims, since they are perfect submitters!
Same teaching method is used explicitly in the Bible, however, most of the Christians think as same as you think and they do not take those verses in the Bible which if they are calling Corinthians’ or Thessalonians’ or Ephesians’ attention, at the same time as a reminder for themselves. Hope I could explain well what I think in here.
<Corruption in the land, or corruption/mischief on earth, is a huge category of offenses,
I agree.
<These crimes vary widely, including, for a few examples, criticizing or calling for changes in <Islamic traditions; practicing “sorcery”; engaging in “charlatanism”; sex between a non-Moslem <man and a moslem woman; highway robbery; destruction of buildings; and terrorism against
Are we discussing what Qur’an says, or religious sects or/and transgrassors say?
I do not belong any sect, and I am confident to say that I admit and accept any righteous side of any religious sect.
It would make no difference whether he was Sunni, or Shia or Jewish or Christian, what he states in his sentence is an attempt to spread hostility among the people of the Book and Muslims. It is unacceptable. It is another example of wrongful interpretation of Qur’an. Unfortunately, even Allah’s words are enough open and clear people are so BRAVE to make them vague.
Shias and Sunnis have never fought with each other like occured in other religions, such as St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre(1572).
Would you like to illustrate other thousands of “Bloodiest Massacres of the History of the World” which were nothing to do with Muslims?
You are wasting your time and your precious human side by trying to spread hostility against Muslims.
Peace,
Are we discussing what Qur’an says, or religious sects or/and transgrassors say?
Now this is a good question,
Before we can even discuss what the koran says, it should be established what koran is being discussed.
And the koran from which the above verses are taken from, is rejected through out the islamic world.
Even the people who follow Kalifa do not call themselves moslems, but submitters.
So the question is are we discussing the Koran, or a corrupted koran
Amazing!
I find you in the strangest places, Shiva!
“So the question is are we discussing the Koran, or a corrupted koran”
Qur’an is not corrupted, but some of Muhammad’s sayings were.
Please do not miss the point:
Qur’an is not one of Muhammad’s sayings.